Squall Leonhart vs Tatsuya Suou is an episode of SoMaShadow's Death Battles. It features Squall Leonhart from the Final Fantasy series, and Tatsuya Suou from the Persona series.
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Description[]
Final Fantasy vs Persona!
Interlude[]
Squall Leonhart[]
Tatsuya Suou[]
DEATH BATTLE![]
Conclusion[]
Original Track[]
Trivia[]
Description[]
Final Fantasy vs Persona!
Intro[]
Wiz: Our life choices define who we become and what shapes as people , for better or for worse and some of us make mistakes and sins that put us past the hope of salvation.
Boomstick:Squall Leonhart the Aloofed seeD mercenary.
Wiz:And Tatsuya Suou a third year High School Student at seven sisters .
Boomstick:I am Boomstick
Wiz:And I am wiz and its our job to analyze their armors , weapons and skills to find out who would win a death battle!.
Squall Leonhart[]
Wiz:Born to Raine Lorie in the small village of Winhill and to his farther Laguna , Squall always had a rough upbringing.
Boomstick:Indeed as his mother died giving birth to him and his farther never had time for him sending him to Edeas orphanage .
Wiz:Despite the fact that he was in an orphanage that had plenty of kids his own age , he always gravitated towards Ellone who he referred to as his sister.
Boomstick:But one day she randomly disappeared leaving the young Squall to assume that she left him on purpose.
Wiz: This caused Squall to develop a very anti-social and aloof personality due to not knowing why someone so close to him would just disappear out of nowhere.
Boomstick: Fast forward about 11 years or so and Squall became regarded as a loner among his peers but he always had a rival with one man named Seifer.
Wiz: One day Squall fights Seifer in a duel and Seifer slashes his face causing it to have a huge scar.
Boomstick:Youch that has got to hurt!.
Wiz:Squall retaliates and slashes Seifer in the face scaring his face as well.
Boomstick:Now that is a pretty badass comeback!.
Wiz:Well it is not without reason why Squalls sword would cause so much damage.
Boomstick:He wields the gunblade which is literally a fusion of a sword and a gun!.
Wiz:It actually mostly is wielded like other swords in the Final Fantasy universe but it has a revolver and if it is used it causes an targeted explosion .
Boomstick:His sword is even capable of unleashing the renzokuken attack which causes him to slash his opponents multiple times before finishing them off by cutting through them.
Wiz:Dam that looks so badass!.
Boomstick:He also has summons he could use at his disposal such as Ifrit who should casually be continental level and can use attacks like hellfire.
Wiz:Squall also beat this guy with the help of Quistis at the start of the game thus making a start-game Squall Multi-Continental Level in power .
Boomstick:Squall can also dodge lightning even at the start of the game putting his speed at Massively Hypersonic .
Wiz:Squall is also capable of summoning Shiva , Eden , Ifrit and plenty of others which give him power over elements such as ice , electric , water and many others . Furthermore by Junctioning skills he is capable of giving himself strength , immunity or resistance over certain aliments with that absorbed energy or can link the energy to his physical attacks linking whatever effect the original ability causes .
Wiz:So to best explain this lets say Squall junctioned an instant death ability then he could then use that power and add it to his physical attacks for instance.
Boomstick:He can also summon Odin who can one shot his opponents by using Zantetsuken.
Wiz:Although the chances of this happening are pretty random.
Boomstick:In addition if the enemy is powerful enough they could just kill Odin like what Seifer did.
Wiz:What did Seifer seriously just cut Odin in half?!.
Boomstick: Yes and Squall was able to beat him.
Wiz:Dam that guy is no joke! not surprising because he has tons of magic spells including Blizzard Barret ,Thunder Barret , Fire Barret and attacks like Slow which decreases the speed of the opponent by slowing down time. Squall also has healing moves like Curaga which can heal his HP when he is low and Reflect which can reflect magical attacks.
Boomstick :By using draw Squall is capable of absorbing energy from his opponents in order to recreate their powers and can junction them to become immune , strengthend or resistant to the element he absorbed or can use the energy he drew to use his foes attacks on them.
Boomstick: Later in the story it is reveled that the one primarily responsible for the events of FF8 are none other than the sorceress Ultimecia herself.
Wiz: But before that he fought a possessed Eden who has summons casually capable of blowing up Planets and Solar Systems! . The reason they fought her was because they were ordered to assassinate her by the garden after finding out that she was behind Galbadia's hostilities towards the Dollet Dukedom although sadly things don't end out very well and Squall gets hit in the chest by a shard!.
Boomstick:Although he survives but not before his rival Seifer could join with Eden!.
Wiz:Dun Dun Dun!.
Boomstick:But it is later reveled that Ultimecia was just using Eden as a host and that Eden was not actually bad , that is when Squall and his Gang went to find Ultimecia to stop her from compressing time! but not before she transferred her power to Rinoa and made her fall into a Coma.
Wiz:Squall and his gang were able to keep up with Ultimecia who decompressed time and space into herself.
Boomstick:She was also planning to recreate the universe into a realm in which she would be Immortal and had she been successful then she most likely would have.
Boomstick:All of this would put end game Squall at Universal+ due to scaling to Ultemecia who was able to control and threaten Space and Time.
Wiz:In addition Squall should scale to Ultmecias magic, which can cover several AU in seconds as we saw with the great attractor .
Boomstick:All of this should be enough to easily put Squall at FTL to FTL+.
Wiz:Although Squall is strong he has a handful of weaknesses .
Boomstick:To start with Squall juncutuioning guardian forces causes memory loss and has only a limited amount of spells that can be casted furthermore he only has a limited amount of stock spells to use in one battle which is a major hindrance.
Boomstick:Although in the end Squall is very tough and certainly deserves his title as a lion!.
Wiz:And so long as he has his friends by his side , he may just be one of the most powerful Final Fantasy characters of all time!.
Tatsuya Suou[]
Persona 2 Innocent Sin Kasugayma High Theme
Wiz: One day on a sunny day in seven sisters High School in 1999 , a 18 year-old student by the name of Tatsuya Suou herd a strange voice in his head which made him go to his knees when in the middle of being picked on by school bullies.
Boomstick: Suddenly a hated principal by the name of Hanya comes and blames him for all of it!.
Wiz:Dam I know how that one feels!.
Boomstick:The voice in his head tells him "I am thou , thou art I".
Wiz:That is some scary shit but as it turns out it was his inner Persona .
Boomstick:Anyhow one thing leads to another and Tatsuya learns from a kid that if you play the Joker game then all your dreams will come true!.
Wiz:And as it turns out another thing leads to another and while Tatsuya is talking to Mrs Sakeo , a girl by the name of Lisa Silverman interupts them and reprimands Tatsuya for wearing the school emblem which is believed to have been cursed.
Boomstick:Anyhow they then get a letter by a student named Ekichi who kidnapped a girl and told them to meet him near a prison if they want her back.
Wiz:So Tatsuya and Lisa go near this prison to save the girl.
Boomstick:But as it turns out she was treated pretty well and was not really in any danger!.
Wiz:And as it turns out it was not even his plans , it was just made because Ekichis friends wanted him and Tatsuya to meet each other.
Persona 2 Innocent Sin Battle Theme
Boomstick:And long story short , Ekichi accidently summons his own persona , Lisa does as well but she faints of exhaustion and Tatsuya does as well summoning the Persona of the sun arcana vulcanus.
Wiz: Vulcanus a fairly powerful persona having access to fire elemental attacks like Agi , Flame Cut , Maragi as well as healing attacks like Dia to restore health.
Boomstick:It also learns moves like Balzac which has a 24% chance to deal the furry status to its foes and Patra which can cure it or its allies of sleep and illusion ailments.
Wiz:Despite this it has a few weaknesses and is notably weak to water and ice.
Boomstick:But it is immune to fire and resistant to light , dark , nuclear , nerve and mind attacks.
Wiz:Anyhow Tatsuya one shotted Ekichi although passed out himself.
Boomstick:Later Tatsuya and the gang decide to play the Joker game and summon Joker.
Persona 2 Innocent Sin-Joker Theme
Wiz:Wait you mean the one from P5?
Boomstick:No Wiz the one from P2!.
Wiz:Oh ha they have the same name though , it would be funny to see what would happen if they ever make a P3Q and have Tatsuya meet with the Phantom Thieves!.
Boomstick:Anyhow as it turns out the ritual works and Joker is summoned and calls out on Tatsuya saying he was waiting for him.
Wiz:Tatsuya and the gang try to beat Joker with a fusion spell but Joker casually beats all of them with his Persona Nyarlathotep , keep tuned because he will be very important later.
Boomstick:Joker then grabs Tatsuya by the throat and asks him if he remembers his sin , to which none of them remember and he leaves as he saw no point in killing them if they forgot their sin.
Wiz:They sure dodged a bullet their!.
Mt Iwato-Persona 2 Innocent Sin
Boomstick:Tatsuya and the gang later meet Maya Amano and Yukino , forming a friendship with both of them and uncovering their shared past.
Wiz:Fast forward into the story and Tatsuya is capable of harboring many personas and demons and with these Personas he is capable of beating Joker , Longinus and even a certain German guy with a Mustache .
Boomstick:Yeah for whatever reason the devs of Persona 2 thought adding him in the game would be a good idea but nonetheless Tatsuya and his crew were able to dispatch Nyarlathotep when he took the form of Fuhrer .
Wiz:Providing Tatsuya makes all the right choices , he is able to unlock an upgrade Vulcanus to Vulcanus Prime .
Boomstick:Vulcanus prime is actually similar to its original form in almost every way but it has a slightly more powerful move set packing higher power fire attacks like Agidyne and Agilao as well as attacks to boost his attack like Tarukaja.
Wiz:He also his much better stats overall having much better strength , agility , luck and having better stats in almost everyway.
Boomstick:Anyhow , it is discovered that the sin which Joker was talking about was the sin of Tatsuya and his friends making the masked circle as kids and killed their friend Maya in a fire set up by Joker who is later reveled to be Jun , a childhood friend of Ekichi , Tatsuya and Lisa as well as of Maya.
Wiz:But as it turns out she did not die however Nyarlathotep took advantage of this and convinced Jun to become Joker and framed them so they believed they killed Maya.
Boomstick:But Tatsuya and the gang were able to find out the truth by rediscovering their lost memories in Mt.Iwato.
Wiz:In that mountain Tatsuya discovers a red mask that he wore 10 years before the games event and after Shadow Maya is defeated , Philemon uses that mask to create Tatsuya's ultimate Persona Apollo.
Boomstick:Apollo based on the greek god himself , is easily Tatsuya's strongest Persona being capable of using attacks like Nova Kaiser which stop time and then hit the enemy twice for a combination of light and almighty damage.
Wiz:Apollo is also capable of dealing strike damage with Gigantic fists , nuclear damage with Freidyne , can remove stat buffs from his enemy with Dekaja and has multiple high hitting fire moves such as Maragidyne and Agidyne.
Boomstick:Furthermore Apollo has only two major weaknesses those being water and ice but outside of water and ice , Apollo resists electric and is immune to fire , light and dark attacks giving it a wide array of resistances and immunities to boot with its already insane power.
Wiz:Apollo was able to help Tatsuya defeat people like Philemon who casually changed reality at the end of Persona 2 Innocent Sin.
Boomstick:Now to see how strong Philemon is ,Philemon is an incarnation of the collective unconscious and the source from which all human souls are born from alongside the world.
Wiz:And the collective unconscious is a multiversal strecture that transcends space and time and given Philemon alongside Nyarlathotep are the incarnations of the collective unconscious and have dominion over it then it stands to reason that they would be Multiverse Level+ to Low Complex Multiverse level or higher due to being incarnations and being able to control a multiversal structure that transcends space and time itself!.
Boomstick:In addition Nyarlathotep was the one who gave Kandori his powers at the end of Persona 1 and therefore should scale to or be above him and Kandori created an alternate reality with the Chaos Mirror and is stated to have power over higher dimensions a feat that should easily be above Multiversal and he also should scale to Pandora who was threating to destroy all of existence alongside an Alternate Mikage-cho (An Alternate Reailty in another dimension made from Makis cognition) which is another feat that would put Nyarlathotep at Multiversal or higher in terms of power
Boomstick:And Tatsuya fought on par with and beat Nyarlathotep twice during the events of Innocent Sin and in the end of Eternal Punishment .
Wiz:Tatsuya also fought on par with and beat Philemon at the end of eternal punishment thus making Tatsuya equal or greater to both Philemon and Nyarlathotep .
Boomstick:So via scaling to Nyarlathotep and Philemon who are both capable of controlling the collective unconscious a multiversal structure which transcends space and time itself this should make Tatsuya Multiversal+ to Low-Complex Multiversal or higher.
Wiz:Not to mention , Tatsuya should be far beyond demons like Ouroboros Maia who should be comparable or greater than demons below her domain in Sector Eridanus including the four Heavenly Kings who are capable of sustaining a barrier between the human world and the expanse or otherwise known as the demon world. with the aforementioned being stated to be a higher-dimensional plane that exists beyond the past , present and future across the multiverse.
Boomstick:This feat alone would easily make Tatsuya at least Low-Complex Multiversal given that he can scale to demons who are capable of affecting a higher dimensional planes that transcend the past , present and future.
Wiz:It would also give Tatsuya Immeasurable speed due to scaling to demons like Ouroboros Maia who exist in the Expanse which as mentioned before is a higher dimensional plane that exists beyond the past , present and future!.
Boomstick:Tatsuya has a wide array of demons and personas which he can summon all with different abilities and weaknesses.
Wiz:Beyond his two main personas Vulucanus and Apollo , Tatsuya is capable of welding personas like Vishnu which either resist or are immune to practically all elemental attacks and is a master at Ice , Light and Almighty attacks.
Boomstick:He is also capable of using many other personas which include but are not limited to Parirkia , Lucifer , Amon-Ra , Odin and plenty of others which all come with their own strengths and weaknesses .
Wiz:Tatsuya is also capable of using Omni-Dimension an attack that literally warps his foe into a dimension never to be seen again if it lands.
Boomstick:That said Tatsuya has one major weakness that being his Persona weaknesses although he does not have a single weakness because he can switch his personas , if he gets hit by a powerful attack that his persona is weak to then that could mean serious trouble.
Wiz:That said so long as he has his friends by his side , it may be possible for him to overcome almost any obstacle that stands in his way!.
Prelude[]
Wiz: Alright, the combatants are set, let's end this debate once and for all!
Boomstick: It's time for a DEATH BATTLE!
DEATH BATTLE![]
Tatsuya is walking around the forests of Mt. Katatsumuri when he notices a guy with a strange looking sword and a keychain with a lion on it.
Tatsuya: So you were the one who they spread rumors about? rumor has it that your a psychopath who goes around killing people.
Squall:Hmph what is it to you?.
Tatsuya: So your not denying the rumors? well then in that case I cannot allow a person like you to continue on your rampage.
Squall: Whatever you say! you know they could just be rumors made up by people who don't know anything about me but if a challenge is what you want then I don't mind throwing dukes!
Squall and Tatsuya both get in their fighting positions and hold their swords .
Fight![]
Both combatants stare at each other quietly until Squall lunges at Tatsuya and the two lock blades , Squall tries to slash Tatsuya with his gunblade but Tatsuya dodges and summons his Persona.
Tatsuya:vulcanus!.
Squall:So your using a summon?.
Tatsuya:No this is a Persona!.
Squall:What on earth is a persona?
Tatsuya says nothing and uses Maragi on Squall launching an array of fire at his way causing a massive explosion in the forest , Squall dodges and uses fire barret , three fire projectiles fire at Tatsuya but Tatsuya dodges and uses flame cut slashing Squall with his fiery sword.
Squall:Ifrit!.
Suddenly a demon comes from out of nowhere and roars at Tatsuya , Ifrit then summons a meteor and goes on top of the meteor , he then kicks the meteor at Tatsuya causing heavy damage and causing flames to caste all across the forest .
Squall:That is what you get you bastard!.
Tatsuya comes out of the fire and summons a new persona this time summoning Pairika ,Tatsuya then uses paralyzing scratch on Squall scratching him and then temporality putting him to sleep.
Tatsuya:Take this!
Tatsuya then uses an onslaught of Magarulas and then slashes Squall with his sword , Squall wakes up and the sword lock blades again until Squall uses his thunder barret on Tatsuya causing a rain of lightning to rain on Tatsuya , electrocuting him . Tatsuya jumps back and uses Balzac on Squall causing him to go Mad , Tatsuya then follows up by switching his Persona to Ouroboros and then uses Posion Breath on Squall poisoning him .
Squall:Argh
Squall hits himself in furry and gets weakened by the Posion Tatsuya then switches Personas and uses Principality , Tatsuya uses Magnara on Squall and then follows up by using heat wave, Squall snaps out of his rage and uses protect reducing the amount of damage he takes .
Squall:Curaga!.
Squall suddenly heals from all the damage he took , Tatsuya follows up by using Media to cure all the damage he took before hand and the two rush at each other again!.
A large clank could be heard across the forest , Squall summons Shiva and suddenly a woman frozen in ice comes and breaks out of the ice , she then launches a wave of ice towards Tatsuya freezing him and freezing the entire ground around him causing significant damage in the process.
Squall:Take this! AGRHHHH!.
Squall charges up his Gunblade and rushes at Tatsuya , Squall then slashes Tatsuya in the air multiple times before using releasing a pillar of energy at Tatsuya slashing him , Squall then finishes off the attack by striking Tatsuya again and finishing off by hitting him with a swing to the face causing a massive explosion .
Tatsuya:Not bad but this is far from over! Odin!.
Squall:Odin?
Tatsuya summons Odin and Squall does the same by also summoning Odin , Suddenly a man on a horse with a big sword appears and it suddenly starts raining .
Squall:Odin Attack!.
Squalls Odin uses Zantetsuken and dashes at Tatsuya , his horse buckles as he runs to slash Tatsuya with his blade but Tatsuya uses Thunder Baptism electrocuting Squalls Odin and then takes his spear and slashes Odin in half , causing his lifeless corpse to fall apart and spill with endless blood.
Squall:O-Odin what the?
Tatsuya:You thought things would be so simple?
Tatsuya changes personas to Vulucanus Prime just as Squall uses his Ultimia attack causing a giant explosion that could be heard all across the forest , Tatsuya then uses fiery fury slashing Squall with a fiery sword before finishing his attack off by using Maragion incinerating him in a blaze of fire.
Squall gets up and uses silence preventing Tatsuya from using his Persona , Tatsuya seeing no other option rushes at Squall and tries to hit him but Squall barley dodges and summons Bahamut who uses mega flare firing four blasts from its mouth before firing one giant beam at the ground causing a massive explosion .
Squall angerly rushes at Tatsuya and slashes him stabbing his arm , Tatsuya counters by slashing Squall in the face causing a scar reminiscent to what Seifer did to him causing Squall to get flash backs , Squall slashes back at Tatsuya causing a scar across his face as well.
Suddenly the shape of a fiery bird comes from the ground as Squall summons Phoenix , Tatsuya responds by using Agidyne as the flames clashing causing a massive explosion that starts a forest fire knocking both Squall and Tatsuya back into the flames.
Suddenly Tatsuya sees a flash of Philemon giving him his ultimate Persona Apollo and Squall sees a flash of Rinoa begging him to keep on fighting .
Tatsuya:No I cannot fall here! Apollo!
Squall and Tatsuya: I will not fall here today!.
Both Tatsuya and Squall unleash their ultimate powers Tatsuya unleashes Apollo and Squall unleashes his Eden as both dash at each other and clash swords once more , the sword clash swords violently causing blood spatter to spill on the burning forest floor.
Tatsuya:Nova Kaiser!
Squall:Nova What?
Time freezes in place and Squall is hit by a mirage of attacks in a single second , Tatsuya then uses Gigantic fist punching Squall in the face with Apollo , Squall is pushed back but uses his summon Eden.
Squall:Eden!
Suddenly Eden comes and the whole screen turns to black , his summon descends into the stars and she warps Tatsuya into another dimension before transforming the world into a clockwork and firing the beam into the nearby galaxy and hitting Tatsuya directly . Tatsuya uses Freidyne causing a massive explosion .
Squall suddenly draws from Tatsuyas magic and replicates his Nova Kaiser as well as his other attacks that he used , Tatsuya uses Nova Kaiser on Squall and the attack hits him for massive amounts of damage but Squall then uses Nova Kaiser on Tatsuya.
Squall:Nova Kaiser!.
Tatsuya:What?
Squall freezes time and uses Nova Kaiser on Tatsuya but the attack has no effect on him , Squall then uses Gigantic Fists on Tatsuya knocking him back but not before Tatsuya uses Heat Kaiser on Squall causing a massive nuclear explosion , Tatsuya then rushes at Squall with his sword.
Tatsuya: Lets finish this!.
Squall: Couldn't have said it better myself!.
Squall charges his Gunblade getting ready to use Renzokuken while Tatsuya dashes at him , Squall then dashes at Tatsuya and the two clash swords causing the sound of an explosion as the screen goes blank .
Squall: Grgh!.
Tatsuya says nothing and finishes off Squall with his Nova Kaiser freezing time and causing a massive explosion of fiery light to hit him , Squalls body falls to the ground and starts gushing out blood from his stabwound as the fire rages on in the forest , Squalls body begins to burn as Tatsuya says nothing and walks away from the scene.
KO![]
Conclusion[]
Wiz:Dam that was absolutely epic! and very crispy too!.
Boomstick: Squall may have had a few tricks up his sleeves that would have kept Tatsuya on his feet , he could have used draw and then recreated Tatsuya's magic essentially playing Tatsuya at his own game , he had multiple summons that could have kept Tatsuya on his feet such as Shiva , ifrit and especially Eden.
Wiz:But although Squall had enough to keep Tatsuya on his feet , Tatsuya had the advantage in almost every other area and had a way to counter his abilities with any of his numerous personas .
Boomstick:Indeed while Squall could draw Tatsuya's magic and recreate his attacks , Tatsuya should still be immune to most of his own attacks through having personas of almost every single element that could resist or reflect his own damage for example if Squall was to draw and copy Apollo and then use Nova Kaiser on Tatsuya it simply would not work because Tatsuya has immunity to both Almighty and Light damage and if Squall did this with any of Tatsuya's other Personas then he could simply just switch to a Persona which is immune or resistant to the attacks that Squall drew meaning although this would catch Tatsuya off guard its nothing too insane for him to deal with.
Wiz:Also remember that at the end of Persona 2 Innocent Sin , Tatsuya fought his shadow self who basically had the same powers that he did meaning Tatsuya was shown in canon to be able to defeat someone with the same powers and abilities as himself meaning even if Squall did draw Tatsuya's magic from his personas , this would be nothing that Tatsuya has not already had to deal with in the past.
Boomstick:This is of course even assuming Squall would be able to react to Tatsuya , in terms of speed when comparing both combatants Squall was able to keep up with Ultimecia who could be calculated at being above the speed of light .
Wiz:While this is very impressive , Tatsuya was able to defeat and wield demons like Ouroboros the same Ouroboros who can exist and move in the Expanse which is a higher dimensional plane that transcends the past , present and future meaning he easily has Immeasurable speed due to scaling beyond demons who can move in a realm beyond the past , present and future.
Boomstick:In terms of speed this means that Tatsuya was literally infinitely faster than Squall even if we were to give Squall his Dissida speed feats it would still only put him at MFTL+ which would still be infinitely slower than Tatsuya scaling to demons who can move and exist beyond the past , present and future
Wiz:That was going to make it nigh impossible for Squall to even land many if any fatal blows on Tatsuya given the stat gap in speed was that massive.
Boomstick:In terms of power Squalls best feats would be being able to keep up with Ultimecia who decompressed time and space which is a feat that would put Squall at Universal+ .
Wiz:While that was impressive Tatsuya is able to keep up with demons who are capable of doing much more impressive feats for example Tatsuya was able to beat Ouroboros who should be comparable or greater than demons below her domain in the Sector Eridanus including the four Heavenly Kings who were capable of sustaining a barrier between the human world and the expanse with the aforementioned being stated to be a higher dimensional plane that exists beyond the past , present and future.
Boomstick:This feat of scaling to Ouroboros who should scale above demons capable of sustaining a barrier between the human world and the expanse should put Tatsuya at Low-Complex Multiversal .
Wiz:Even if we were going to severely lowball this feat it would still put Tatsuya at above Multiversal and far above Squalls feats.
Boomstick:But this isn't even all nor is it even the most impressive of his feats either , Tatsuya was capable of keeping up and defeating both Philemon and Nyarlathotep.
Wiz:But lets calculate how impressive both Philemon and Nyarlathotep are for starters we know that Philemon as well as Nyarlathotep are incarnations of the collective unconscious itself with both being the source of which all human souls are born from as well of from which the world is born from.
Boomstick:Now the place where Philemon lives (I.E the collective unconscious) is described as an entirely different plane of existence all together
Wiz:And the collective unconscious is also stated to transcend space and time which allows thoughts to be connected in a way not bound by reality due to space and time not existing this is likely the reason why it could exist in the first place.
Boomstick:Furthermore this idea is touched up on by Tatsuya in Persona 2 Eternal Punishment when he visits his friends from an alternate reality when he mentions that even though both are from a different reality that they will see each other again in the sea of souls (I.E the collective unconscious)
Wiz:And this point is even further elaborated in PQ and its sequel PQ2 when its stated that the SEES , Phantom Thieves and Investigation Team are all from different worlds despite their games taking place within the same universe.
Wiz:And its even further elaborated that P3 Portable is just another timeline where Makoto is Minako as stated by Yukari in Persona Q and much like the other examples she has a vague memory of him despite never meeting him in the same way that Ekichi , Lisa and Jun had vague memory about Tatsuya and Maya despite them never meeting in the Eternal Punishment timeline , they vaguely know about each other due to their subconscious memories in the CU.
Boomstick:Its also stated by Theodore that Chronos realm is a place beyond the Velvet Room and a place where time and space are meaningless which would explain why the events of the Persona Q and Q2 games were able to happen.
Wiz: Margret mentions that time is unstable where they were and Elizabeth mentions that Tartarus is deeper than the Velvet Room.
Boomstick:Because of the total lack of time within Chronos realm , what Elizabeth referred to as "Impossible" became possible and what is being referred to as "Impossible" in this context was crossing different points of linear time that allowed people from different timelines to encounter each other.
Wiz:And long behold the very same thing is touched upon in the sequel to PQ
Boomstick:So long story short this means the Collective unconscious has realms that are above other realms so based on multiple statements it would make sense to conclude that the CU is a different plane of existence which transcends space and time and which contains many timelines which are connected through the CU and can cause people who never met each other to have vague memories of each other despite being from different timelines or realities .
Wiz:And in terms of how big the CU is there are multiple statements to suggest it is infinite for example Maki says there are countless bubbles with each person possessing their own cognitive reality.
Boomstick:Yaldaboath also states that the masses who praise him are infinite , which is not a bluff as Maki has said a similar thing let alone a god like Yaldabaoth who would have much more knowledge about the CU than Maki would.
Boomstick:Furthermore Elizabeth says there are endless faces and landscapes in the CU which also reinforces the idea of the CU being an infinite higher dimensional plane that contains infinite physical and mental space-time continuums that acts as a link to every reality and is so above space-time that events that should be impossible are possible through the CU.
Wiz:Phew that was a lot of cosmology but it proves a very important point .
Boomstick:Given that the CU is a infinite higher dimensional plane that contains infinite physical and mental space-times that acts as a link to every reality and is so above space-time that events that should be impossible are possible through the CU and also given that Philemon and Nyarlathotep are merely just incarnations of the CU and the source of which all souls and the world are born from then this would easily make Philemon and Nyarlathotep above Multiversal and put them at Multiversal+ to Low-Complex Multiversal in terms of power .
Wiz:And mind you Tatsuya was able to beat both of them during the events of P2 Innocent Sin and P2 Eternal Punishment meaning Tatsuya scales to this level of power as well meaning he should easily be Multiversal+ to Low-Complex Mulitversal or higher via scaling to Philemon and Nyarlathotep who are merely two incarnations of the CU.
Boomstick:This feat blows any of Squalls feats right out of the water even including Dissida scaling and blows his feats from FF8 even more out of the water so in terms of strength Tatsuya was literally dimensions above Squall through scaling to Philemon and Nyarlathotep and even outside of that Tatsuya casually scales to demons who are also Low-Complex Multiversal so anyway you look at it Tatsuya scales way above Squall in terms of power.
Wiz:With all that said given the gap in power , speed and durability it was only a matter of time before Tatsuya broke Squall even outside of power there were many witcons Tatsuya had for this fight including using Omni-Dimension to seal Squall away in another dimension to which he would have no resistance to .
Boomstick:Squall put up a decent fight and his tricks and summons were able to keep Tatsuya on his feet but it was only a matter of time until the senior at seven sisters wore through him.
Wiz:I guess you can say Squall got Suouowned eh?
Boomstick:The winner is Tatsuya Suou!.
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Final Fantasy VIII VS Persona 2!!
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