Description[]
Agent Venom vs Senator Armstrong (Marvel vs Metal Gear). Two former members of the US Army that bonded with a substance to become nigh-unkillable will enter the arena, but only one can leave alive.
Interlude[]
Wiz: For almost everyone who exists, war is far from a joke. Many see it as a tragedy and pointless way to throw away lives, but for some people, war is their lives.
Boomstick: And war becomes a hell of a lot easier to win when you're as durable as today's combatants.
Wiz: Agent Venom, Marvel’s symbiotic super soldier.
Boomstick: And Senator Armstrong, Metal Gear’s nanomachine infused politician. He’s Wiz and I’m Boomstick!
Wiz: And it’s our job to analyze their weapons, armor, and skills to find out who would win a Death Battle!
Agent Venom[]
Wiz: Throughout the streets of New York City, there are plenty of names that are recognizable. But of all the known names out there, one truly stands out as the most well known name of all.
Boomstick: The friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, that's who!
Wiz: Peter Parker has certainly faced his fair share of tough villains over the years, from Green Goblin to Carnage, but one that he never truly seemed to enjoy facing was a less expected villain. Highschool bullying. And if there was one bully who seemed to take a particular interest in Parker, it would be Eugene Thompson, or as most people know him, Flash.
Boomstick: You mean the DC Speedster?
Wiz: No, it’s just a nickname.
Popup: Flash’s nickname actually comes from the fact that he was known for his incredible speed in football.
Boomstick: Oh. Well… Flash’s life at home wasn’t super easy for him, which might surprise you since his dad is a cop, but he also was an alcoholic who frequently beat the shit out of Flash so… makes sense.
Wiz: This constant physical abuse eventually led to Flash becoming violent sort of as a coping mechanism, and to him, Peter Parker seemed like the perfect target to pick on. He kept picking on poor Pete even after he was bitten by the spider that gave him super powers, because Parker never tried to fight back.
Boomstick: The crazy thing is, he more so chose Peter because he was jealous of how smart the kid was. I mean, Flash had a girlfriend and was the star of the school football team, yet he was still jealous of a nerd? Dude, your life sounds great! Well, minus the abusive father at home.
Wiz: Ironically, despite Flash hating Peter, he was actually a huge fan of Spider-Man since he didn’t know that was Parker, even to the point of forming the Spider-Man fan club. Guess who he didn’t invite to it.
Boomstick: Eventually though, duty called for Flash when he graduated college and he served some time as a part of the army in Southeast Asia, but after a kind of big incident that caused people to hate him, he left the army and returned to America, only to join again a few years later, where something much, much, much more interesting would happen. And by that I mean the Iraq War, where he lost both of his legs trying to save a partner. Damn, that sucks.
Wiz: Mortified, Flash returned home as a hero and received a medal of honor, but none of it mattered. He went through multiple stints of depression and surgeries to get new legs, but was eventually ready to give up. But then he was selected to be tested for Project Rebirth 2.0, an off-shoot of the original Project Rebirth obviously, but instead of using a super soldier serum to enhance soldiers, they did something else entirely.
Popup: Flash never willingly signed up for the project, though he didn’t object to it, seeing as a “if it kills me, I don’t care” sort of way
Boomstick: That’s one way to put it. They used captured symbiotes, including one you might remember the super loser Venom!
Wiz: Their goal was to create Agent Venom, but their first subject was Cal Henricksen, who lost control and died, leaving Flash as the next victim. Or so they thought at least. As it turns out, he lived and with that was able to become… Agent Venom.
Boomstick: Agent Venom is such a cool ass name! God, why name yourself something dumb like Carnage or Toxin or Wizard when you could call yourself Agent Venom!
Wiz: Names aside, Agent Venom naturally has the same abilities as Spider-Man, such as superhuman strength, speed, durability, stamina, and numerous abilities-
Boomstick: But they look even cooler! He can stick to walls and then climb on them, shoot out webbing as tough as steel, and he always knows when attacks might be out of his field of vision thanks to his awesome spider-sense!
(Cue animated scene)
Wiz: He also has abilities similar to other symbiote users, including immense regeneration, the ability to shapeshift his limbs, and even complete camouflage.
Popup: While symbiote users have also displayed the ability to shapeshift wings for flight, Agent Venom has never shown this before, and given that he typically uses a combination of Peter’s abilities as well as the abilities performed by other symbiote users, there’s no reason to assume he can.
Boomstick: But the real awesome abilities are the awesome military based ones that he has!
Wiz: Well, you're not wrong. Flash’s time in the military has turned him into an incredible fighter both in hand to hand combat and with almost all firearms. What makes him even more deadly is that he has night vision to make sure he can easily hurt you, but not the other way around.
Boomstick: Uh… sure, but I was referring to all the fucking awesome guns he has!
Boomstick picks up a box of various guns and places it on the table.
Wiz: That’s actually a great point. A unique trait of the symbiotes is that they’re highly adaptable for most situations, even being able to develop new abilities on the fly, and for Flash, this resulted in one of the most useful abilities we’ve seen from any symbiote. Technology assimilation, which basically means he can absorb technology into the symbiote to add it to his arsenal.
Boomstick picks up weapons out of the box as he lists them off.
Boomstick: And looking at the weapons he has, he’s got amazing taste! His personal favorites are a simple but goodie duo of dual wielding handguns. He also has rifles for better range and accuracy, shotguns for when he wants to get up-close and personal, submachine guns for high speed firing, machine pistols for high speed and portability, and machine guns because why wouldn’t he want one? But my real favorite is a pretty unique and definitely awesome gun, the personal defense weapon! They take the high fire rate of a submachine gun, but also combine it with better range, better accuracy, and the ability to pierce through even the toughest armors! It truly is a beauty to behold.
Wiz: Flash doesn’t just carry basic bullet spewing guns, but also explosives. Most notable are grenade launchers, dual shoulder mounted missile launchers, and flash bang grenades.
Boomstick Grabs a flash bang and slams it on the ground, blinding both himself and Wiz.
Wiz(screaming): WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?!
Boomstick: I DIDN’T THINK IT WOULD ACTUALLY WORK! I THOUGHT IT WAS A FAKE!
DUMMI floats in from offscreen and looks directly at the camera as Wiz and Boomstick continue arguing in the background.
DUMMI: Don’t believe what Boomstick says. He may claim to be a weapons master, but he’s really just a financially unstable alcoholic Wiz picked up off the streets to use as a guinea pig for tests. Don’t question how I got this information, because that’s an event I’m trying to forget.
DUMMI floats offscreen as the two are still screaming at each other inaudibly.
(end of animated scene)
Wiz(groans): Ugh… well, his shapeshifting is certainly useful for creating weapons, but it gets far weirder than that. As it turns out, Flash can… somehow turn into a car, though the explanation as to how he can do this has never even been revealed.
Boomstick: WHAT THE FUCK?! JESUS CHRIST THAT’S TERRIFYING!
Wiz: True, though it’s likely an effective weapon to use in battle, given that it's, well, a car.
Boomstick: Only advantage I see is he would never have to worry about losing track of his car keys, because he is the car. Actually, I might have to look into that, because that doesn’t sound too bad.
Wiz: I think it’s pretty clear at this point that Agent Venom is an incredibly dangerous fighter, so it’s certainly a good thing he chose to be a hero.
Popup: While Agent Venom has had other forms and abilities such as Space Venom, Anti-Venom, and the Hell-Mark, these are not standard arsenal for him and as such should not be used. Space Venom was just a temporary stat increase, Anti-Venom was an entirely different symbiote, and the Hell-Mark could only be attained if brought back from the dead.
Boomstick: No shit he is! He’s taken on dangerous opponents like Toxin, Carnage, Death Adder, and Human Fly. He’s beaten the shit out of IronClad, fought on par with Valkyrie, made Red Hulk bleed, and one-shot Captain America while holding back. Uh… Agent Venom being the one holding back, not Captain America.
Wiz: One-shotting Cap is no small feat though. While Cap is most known for blocking attacks with his shield, he’s still capable of tanking attacks from heroes like Iron Fist, who once punched with a force equivalent to 150 megatons of tnt!
Boomstick: Combine all that power with the abilities he has and you’d think this guy would be unstoppable. Honestly, he also probably would be unstoppable if it weren't for the symbiote’s stupid weakness to sound and heat.
Wiz: While it’s true the symbiote possesses those weaknesses, a simple flamethrower isn’t going to put Agent Venom down. He’s survived a severely weakened Super Skrull’s supernova, though it’s not an actual supernova, Ghost Rider’s hellfire, fire breath from Jack-O-Lantern, and even atmospheric re-entry. Assuming Flash’s weight doesn’t change when wielding the symbiote, we can determine that he crashed into earth at a speed of at least 17,500 miles per hour. All this considered, the heat from the explosion would be nearly 4 million degrees fahrenheit, or nearly 400 times hotter than the surface of the sun.
Popup: While this feat was performed while Flash was in the Space Venom suit, this still proves that even without it he can tank immense amounts of heat with little issue, though he still is vulnerable to it, just heavily resistant.
Boomstick: Forget anything I may have said about this guy having flaws then. Agent Venom is a fucking boss! Dude even ended up dating an Asgardian! Talk about being a chad.
Wiz: It’s definitely true that Agent Venom is incredible in every way imaginable, but his ultimate act of heroism would unfortunately also be his last, as he would ultimately sacrifice his own life to save Spider-Man, the one hero he had admired for so many years. Flash’s death wasn’t just heartbreaking for readers and the people who he had grown close to, but also the symbiote as it had actually grown fond of Flash, considering him to be the ideal host, and even inspiring the symbiote to want to help others, proving that even after he was gone, his actions would continue to truly help affect the lives of others in a positive way, just like a true hero should.
Agent Venom: Always wanted to be the hero. Now, I get to look the part.
Senator Armstrong[]
Boomstick(in a deep announcer voice): Are you tired of all those boring as fuck old ass politicians that would break their back if they tried to throw a punch? Don’t lie to me, because I know you are! Lucky for you, I have just the right politician to vote for! One so manly that when he throws punches, he breaks other people’s backs instead! Introducing… Senator Armstrong!
Wiz: That’s a shockingly accurate description of him, Boomstick. Nice work.
Boomstick: Thanks! It’s because he’s one of my role models. He almost inspired me to look into politics, but then I realized that there was too much paperwork involved, and that’s not really for me.
Wiz: Born in Texas, Armstrong’s life seemed like one that would never lead to politics, let alone success in politics. While in college, Armstrong was the star of the football team and could’ve easily gone pro if he wanted.
Boomstick: Keyword, could’ve. Like most people who could’ve gone pro in something though, he had a desire to serve the United States, so he joined the navy, ruining any chance he had of going pro. Bummer.
Wiz: What’s worse, he never actually saw any combat time while in the navy, making it seem kind of like a waste of time. He would return to Colorado and out of nowhere, run for the title of state senator. His goal was to cut the state’s budget, but even moreso, his thought process ran far deeper than that. Armstrong realized that no matter what the information people hear is, they will come to accept it as right depending on what spin you put on it.
Boomstick: Your probably thinking, “That’s stupid! I would never fall for that!” but you probably would, because Armstrong knew that people only cared about money.
Wiz: Funnily enough, that was also one of Armstrong’s 2 driving forces in politics. He was driven obviously by money, but also power for both himself and America. While this may make him sound evil and corrupt, which he certainly could be described as, Armstrong was a presidential nominee in the 2020 election and considered a shoo-in by many.
Boomstick: What?! That's gotta be a joke, right? A corrupt, power hungry politician who only wants money and power? As if anyone would possibly vote for that! Right?!
(Cue FBI Open Up)
Boomstick: Shit! They’re here for me! I'm gonna run Wiz! If they ask where I went, tell them I went to Argentina!
Wiz: Ok…
One Hour Later
Boomstick: Ok, I’m back. What’d I miss?
Wiz: Don’t worry, they're gone. They did take some of your beer though.
Boomstick: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Cue animated scene)
Wiz: Back on track… Armstrong eventually began taking an interest in a certain cyborg mercenary, Jetstream Sam, and decided to arrange an “interview” with him. This interview turned into a fight however, where Armstrong revealed a certain new toy that he now possessed, and let him give Sam a hard time. These are the-
Boomstick(interrupting): NANOMACHINES SON! HELL YEAH! Always wanted to say that!
Popup: While there have been 4 different types of nanomachines throughout the Metal Gear franchise, Armstrong’s only appear to be similar to medical and commercial nanomachines.
Wiz: The nanomachines are scientific genius, and certainly an invaluable asset to Armstrong’s arsenal. Originally, the nanomachines Armstrong uses were created to help Naomi Hunter, as she was suffering from terminal cancer. However, while they were unable to heal her, they did slow down the cancer to such a degree that she could continue living a normal life. This led to the numerous discoveries of what the nanomachines are capable of. They grant immense regeneration to the point of being able to reattach lost limbs.
Boomstick: As awesome as insane survivability is though, Armstrong likes to live by my standard of survival by killing everything, so he also used them to enhance his immense physical strength, and they activate through… hardening as a response to physical trauma? What the fuck does that mean? Do they activate if someone punches him hard enough to remind him of his father running away from home and never returning or something? That would definitely work on me! Screw you dad!
Wiz: No, no, no, no, no. Physical trauma is just another term for injury. The nanomachines react to anything that would cause any damage to the body, and harden to absorb the blow entirely, though Armstrong has also learned to use them to increase his striking strength. Naturally, these require a power source, and Armstrong is able to power them by leaching energy from anyform of technology. This also seems to have given him a side effect of having some form of electro kinesis as he’s been able to launch things like helicopters at opponents.
Boomstick(mumbling): Better him than some stupid teenage electric girl
Wiz: What was that?
Boomstick: Uh… these nanomachines sure do sound awesome! How can I get some?
Wiz: Are you sure you want nanomachines? Their effects on the body can be incredibly hazardous to the human heart.
Wiz presses a button on a remote and a picture of Armstrong’s heart appears on the tv behind them.
Boomstick: Will the heart slowly poison me overtime or some shit?
Wiz: Uh… not that I know of?
Boomstick: Then I’m ok with it!
Wiz: Ok then. I’ll start working on that then.
(Cue end of animated scene)
Boomstick: Electromagnetism isn’t the only thing Armstrong has though. By blocking attacks, the nanomachines can absorb the kinetic energy, thus allowing Armstrong to unleash them in some pretty powerful attacks. He can unleash the energy for harder hits, punch the ground with enough force to cause fire to erupt from it, and even create fissures that fucking explode! Awesome!
Wiz: Not only that, but Armstrong can activate the nanomachines a second time to increase their effects on his physicality even further, possibly to the point of absurdity. In this state, he was able to beat Jetstream Sam and nearly killed Raiden, whose strength is no joke. During his fight with Monsoon, Raiden was able to swing so fast that raindrops appeared to be frozen in comparison. Assuming the raindrops moved around 1 millimeter, and taking into account the speed that raindrops travel at, Raiden swinging that fast would likely result in a kinetic energy of around 320 kilotons of tnt.
Popup: While this is still just a hypothetical estimation of Raiden’s max power, Armstrong himself has destroyed Metal Gears made to survive nuclear warheads, so it’s not out of the question for this to be a solid estimation where people like Raiden and Armstrong should be.
Boomstick: Holy crap! With power like that, you’d think Armstrong would be unstoppable, but the dude has so many flaws. I mean, he literally lost a limb because he tried to recruit Jetstream Sam instead of just killing him, and he has a huge ego, constantly seeing himself as unkillable.
Wiz: Well, for the most part, the nanomachines do make up for these weaknesses, given how durable they make Armstrong. He’s survived onslaughts from Jetstream Sam, a Metal Gear EXCELSUS exploding while he’s on it, and even blocking Raiden’s high frequency blade. This might not sound impressive, but given how the blade destabilizes a target's molecular bonds thus allowing it to cut through anything like butter, yet it failed to even make Armstrong flinch. This isn’t to say the nanomachines are flawless though, as they have plenty of flaws in their own right. For starters, they require an insane amount of fuel and cause an immense amount of strain on his body. The nanomachines also struggle to block sudden or incredibly fast strikes that Armstrong can’t react to, which even led to Armstrong’s ultimate downfall at the hands of Raiden.
Boomstick: Yeah, Armstrong might be awesome and all, but even he can’t survive a sword going through him, let alone having his heart ripped out and crushed.
Wiz: Yet in his dying moments, Armstrong wasn’t angered by his failure, but happy to know that he wasn’t the only one who fought exclusively for what he believed in. Armstrong may have been considered evil, but perhaps the true definition was actually more along the lines of just… misunderstood.
Armstrong: Nanomachines son! They harden in response to physical trauma. You can't hurt me Jack!
Pre Battle[]
Wiz: Alright, the combatants are set and we've run the data through all possible outcomes
Boomstick: It's time for a Death Battle!
Death Battle[]
The camera pans over a city at night as Flash is seen sitting on the roof of a skyscraper. The door in front of him swings open and Senator Armstrong walks out, straightening his tie.
Armstrong: You wanted to meet with me to talk about something?
Agent Venom: We need to talk about your goals. On paper, they don’t sound that bad. I’ll give you credit for that. But in execution, you're sending innocent people to their death, and that’s something I can’t stand for.
Armstrong: Eh… send a few people to their death to save millions, isn’t that what the army does? I don’t see you going after them, so why bother with me?
Agent Venom: You don’t get what I’m saying, do you? You're sending people to their death, including major political figures! By doing that, you're essentially planning on starting World War 3! Is that what you want?
Armstrong: If that's what it takes to get America to realize that I’m right, then that’s what’ll have to happen.
Agent Venom: Ya know, I thought you were just flat out stupid is all, but your far worse than that. You're just flat-out insane!
Armstrong: And what are you going to do to stop me?!
Armstrong throws a punch at Flash, but it’s caught by Flash as he activates the symbiote.
Agent Venom: I’ll show you something you’re gonna wish you never had to deal with.
Agent Venom releases Armstrong’s fist and sidekicks him in the face, but the nanomachines tank the blow as Armstrong smirks and backhands Agent Venom off the side of the building. Thinking Agent Venom is done, Armstrong begins walking towards the door, only for multiple shield helicopters to begin unloading gatling gun fire at him.
Armstrong(laughing): Pathetic!
Armstrong then begins draining the energy from the helicopters, shutting down the guns and allowing him to activate the nanomachines and block the incoming bullets. However, as all of this occurred, it bought Agent Venom enough time to turn invisible and swing behind Armstrong as he pulled out a rifle and aimed it at the senator's head.
Agent Venom: Lights out.
Agent Venom pulled the trigger, but Armstrong was faster and without twitching was able to activate the nanomachines, causing the bullets to harmlessly bounce off the back of the senator’s head, much to Agent Venom’s shock.
Agent Venom: So, you're a symbiote user too?
Armstrong: Symbiotes? Nah, I don’t need any of that fancy alien shit. These are nanomachines son!
Agent Venom(sarcastically): Great. Just what I needed to deal with. Some fancy science tech that I have no experience fighting against.
Armstrong: Well you're about to get a demonstration of how they work!
Armstrong then grabbed Agent Venom and hurled him in the air before launching the helicopters at him. Agent Venom quickly shot out webbing at each helicopter one at a time as he maneuvers over and under each one, and then shoots one final set of webbing that grabs them all and hurls the helicopters all at Armstrong at once. Armstrong just smirks however, and then punches through the helicopters before lunging at Agent Venom, who easily dodges it. Agent Venom retaliates with a flurry of weak but quick kicks, and while they don’t do much damage, the constant attacks begin to get on Armstrong’s nerves.
Armstrong: Alright ya little shit! You wanna play like that? Fine by me!
Armstrong attempts to hit Agent Venom with a heavy punch, but Flash easily dodges it and grabs the arm with his webbing. Armstrong simply adapts to this though and yanks Agent Venom towards him on the ground. Armstrong then goes for a punch right where Agent Venom is, but Flash just barely rolls out of the attack in time and thinks he’s safe, but then the ground below him explodes and catches him by surprise too quickly to react. Armstrong then walks up to Agent Venom and grabs him by the throat as he gets ready to end the fight.
Armstrong: Let me ask you a question quickly. Have finally realized how you compare against me?
Agent Venom: Yeah. I’m still convinced that I’m superior to you in every way.
All of a sudden, missile launchers appear on Agent Venom’s shoulders and he fires the missiles right at Armstrong’s face. The senator manages to activate the nanomachines in time to block the attack, but the sudden impact still causes him to lose his grip on Agent Venom and stagger backwards. Agent Venom quickly shoots a few grenades that detonate at Armstrong’s feet and then follows up by holding a flash bang grenade, grabbing Armstrong’s face, and slamming it down with enough force to detonate the grenade. Now in a literally blinded rage, Armstrong begins swinging his arms around at Agent Venom, who easily dodges like it was nothing while constantly firing a hail of bullets and explosives at Armstrong, who kept blocking them with nanomachines.
Agent Venom: I don’t know if your aim is worse when you can see me or when you're blinded.
Armstrong(now furious): WHY DON’T YOU SHUT UP AND DIE YOU LITTLE SHIT!!!!!!
Armstrong once again punches the ground with enough force to cause it to explode on Agent Venom and then follows it up with a backhand to launch Agent Venom flying back, but as Agent Venom is about to hit the ground, he turns into a car while Armstrong punches the ground and causes pillars of flames to erupt in front of him.
Cue moment of Armstrong’s senses returning to normal and an epic shot of Agent Venom as a car driving through the pillars of flames.
Agent Venom rams into Armstrong, and despite the senator having braced himself for the impact, Agent Venom still managed to drive him off the roof of the building. He then uses webbing to grab Armstrong and slam him down to the ground, and after Armstrong makes impact with the ground, Agent Venom slams down straight onto Armstrong. He then morphs his arms into blades and attempts to slash at Armstrong’s chest, but the nanomachines continue to block the blows.
Armstrong: Get the hell off me!
Armstrong punches Agent Venom in the gut knocking him off, and rips the remains of his shirt off.
Armstrong: Alright kid, you’ve had your fun, but playtime is over now! Time to go to sleep!
Armstrong slams his foot on the ground and begins absorbing energy from the surrounding cars, street lights, and buildings, powering his nanomachines even further.
Agent Venom: That can’t be good.
Armstrong’s body begins glowing red as an aura of heat surrounds him.
Agent Venom: Yeah, that’s definitely not good.
Armstrong: Let’s dance ya little shit!
Armstrong hardens his body as Agent Venom forms his arms into blades and the two run straight towards each. Armstrong swung first but as he continually threw heavy attacks constantly while Agent Venom easily dodges and unleashes a flurry of slashes that fail to do any damage. This continues on for a while but eventually Agent Venom misses a slash and Armstrong punishes him for that by grabbing his arm and hurling him up into the air, before slamming him with a punch that launches Flash flying back. Armstrong then launches 20 cars that he had drained energy from straight at Agent Venom.
Agent Venom: Time to end this you son of a bitch. Time to lose control.
Agent Venom finally stops holding back as a visual plays that shows the symbiote taking over and Agent Venom forms all of his guns at once and fires at the cars destroying them and causing a massive explosion and causing Armstrong to think the fight is over.
Armstrong: Pathetic!
Suddenly, Armstrong screams in pain as both of his arms are cut off and Agent Venom is seen having slashed in front of Armstrong.
Cue flashback to the explosion as Agent Venom turns invisible and jumps behind Armstrong to slash his arms off.
Agent Venom then slams a flash bang on Armstrong’s face, stunning him as Agent Venom is ready to end the fight.
Agent Venom: Remember what I’m about to say, because it’ll be the last you ever hear. You wanted to know the difference between us? While you've been going all out this whole time, I’ve been holding back.
Agent Venom then unleashes a flurry of slashes that leave a massive gash in Armstrong’s chest. Agent Venom then proceeds to rush forward and rip Armstrong’s heart through his back with it still intact. Hen then uses his free hand to grab Armstrong with webbing and yank the senator forward. As he goes flying towards Agent Venom, Flash crushes his heart and then finishes the job by cutting Armstrong’s head clean off his body as the Agent Venom once again takes control of his body.
Agent Venom(calling S.H.I.E.L.D): This… is Agent Venom. Target has been forcefully neutralized. Heading to a landing spot now.
Agent Venom swings away.
K.O.
Results[]
Boomstick: I guess that’s one way to end a presidential term.
Wiz: This was an interesting match to examine in every way, and was surprisingly unique in how it played out. Despite what it may seem, there were very few factors that truly played into determining who won.
Popup: While both likely had similar training and skill thanks to time spent in the military, Agent Venom has far more combat experience as he actually fought while in the military, which is something Armstrong never did.
Boomstick: Don’t be stupid Wiz! It’s obvious why Agent Venom won. Comparing their best feats of strength, he was way stronger.
Wiz: Well you're not wrong. Comparing Iron Fist’s 150 megaton punch to Raiden’s 320 kilotons potential from his fight with Monsoon, Agent Venom was around 469 times stronger than Armstrong. However, because of the symbiote and nanomachines, neither could win this through raw brute force alone.
Popup: It’s certainly possible that with enough raw strength they could theoretically get past the durability of the symbiote and nanomachines, but given the levels of durability both have shown, it’s unlikely either could naturally strike with enough force to do that.
Boomstick: Looking at their abilities also didn’t make this one any easier to determine, as most of their abilities were useless, countered each other's abilities, or were questionable in whether or not they could affect the other. For example, both had the ability to zone eachother out, but lacked the fire power to actually kill from a distance.
Wiz: Both did also have weapons that could maybe exploit the weakness of their defenses, but weren’t guaranteed to do so. Agent Venom’s personal defense weapon is a great example of this due to firing armor piercing rounds, which on paper sounds like it could pierce the nanomachines, but there’s one problem with that logic. Armstrong’s nanomachines don’t seem to function like actual armor. If it were similar to actual armor, it would be incredibly durable but would have a limit of how strong of an attack it can block before breaking. However, it’s perfectly capable of letting Armstrong instead just tank an attack with no visible damage making it unlikely it could be considered actual armor.
Boomstick: What about Armstrong Wiz? He can produce heat through multiple attacks, and the Venom symbiote has been explicitly stated a shit ton of times to be weak to heat, so couldn’t Armstrong just use that to disperse the symbiote?
Wiz: On paper it certainly seems like it, but Armstrong’s greatest display of creating immense amounts of heat actually doesn’t stack up. Let’s take a look at his fight with Jetstream Sam as an example. While the exact building this fight took place on is unknown, we do know it’s an incredibly large skyscraper in Colorado, so it’s probably safe to compare it to the Republic Plaza in Denver. Given the approximate size of the roof and accounting for how much fire was created, it’s likely Armstrong created an explosion with a temperature of around 504 degrees fahrenheit. Certainly more than enough to kill a normal human, but compared to Agent Venom surviving the explosion, it's about 8,000 times weaker, and it’s also important to remember that Agent Venom was barely phased by said explosion.
Boomstick: So Armstrong couldn’t get past the symbiote, but Agent Venom couldn’t get past the nanomachines, so it has to be a draw then, right?
Wiz: Almost. However, you're wrong in saying that Agent Venom had no way around the nanomachines. As seen in his fights with both Raiden and Sam, Armstrong’s nanomachines can be bypassed by attacks that strike faster than Armstrong can even react. So, if we determine Raiden’s top speed and figure if he’s faster or slower than Agent Venom, we can determine if Agent Venom could bypass the nanomachines. In his fight with Monsoon, Raiden was able to react so fast when swinging his sword that the raindrops seemed to completely stop moving. Given that the time that it would take for this to occur is about 27 microseconds and the approximate speed Raiden was swinging his sword at, it's likely that Raiden would be reacting around 22,000 times the speed of sound to pull this off.
Popup: While most Raiden feats could be normally given a 10x multiplier for if they were to then
be performed in his ripper mode, this feat is an exception as it was performed while he was in ripper mode.
Boomstick: Agent Venom’s best feat of speed was when he essentially blitzed Captain America in their fight, which is insane as Cap can react to light speed attacks.
Wiz: The term “Blitz” typically would refer to being around 10 times faster when used in the context of speed, so going off this, we can easily assume Agent Venom should be capable of reacting about 10 times faster than the speed of light. Given this knowledge, Agent Venom should be around 385 times faster than Raiden. There was no way Armstrong could react to an attack from, which basically secured the deal. It’s undeniable that Armstrong was an insanely deadly and impressive foe with plenty of tricks to give Agent Venom some trouble, but everything Armstrong could do, Agent Venom could do so much better.
Boomstick: Guess You could say Agent Venom was too ARMSTRONG for his opponent to HANDLE.
Wiz: The winner is Agent Venom.
Next Time[]
