Talk:Beerus VS Bowser/@comment-26153757-20180326174051/@comment-33067344-20180401170227

"Here's another Universal+ feat of Bowser's I forgot to mention. In Super Mario RPG, Bowser fought and defeated Culex, who is stated as the Master of Space and Time in the player's guide, page 64, and in the Japanese translation, states that he is the embodiment of time from its beginning to its end and that he holds the power of creation throughout the Marioverse. Now, some argue that, because Culex said that the power of the third dimension is great he's only Tier 11, but this argument is extremely flawed. The game bragged about being 3-D because it was one of the first games to be designed and rendered on fancy computers."

Problem here.

Culex has been debunked

"When Super Mario RPG first came out, the big deal was that the graphics weren't hand-drawn anymore, but rather rendered in 3-D with fancy computers--which was the hot stuff back then. The Japanese version played around with this fact as more so a theme, not to be taken literally. Why else would he hold time itself and be made from it, the fourth dimension, if he were a lower dimensional being? It's even stated that Culex is the master of space-time. Therefore, it can only be accepted that he's higher dimensional, and his play on words is meant to state that 3-D games are superior to 2-D ones."

Being a joke or not, Culex has been stated by himself to be a 2D being, which has been addresed on the thread I linked.

"What's more, Bowser, during the events of Mario Party 5, stated and showed he was going to ruin, or, destroy Dream Depot, and all dreams within it. I know I mentioned this in Goku vs. Bowser, but I found some more info on it. In the Dream Depot, the dreams of the multiverse's denizens are turned into entire universes. Bowser also planned on destroying Future Dream; this dream in particular was stated by Misstar AND by Mario Party 5's guide booklet on page 28 to be an entire universe, meaning each dream is its own universe. Going by this, there are an incalculable amount of dreams/universes in Dream Depot. Please note Bowser also wanted to recreate Dream Depot itself, the separate realm that holds all dreams within. And destroying, then recreating a realm dwarfing a multiverse this big in size massively about Universal. Even if you say that not all dreams are universes, then it would still be a Universal+ feat since Bowser was going to destroy Future Dream."

Massive outlier, assuming said dreams are universes (which I doubt, but you already know this) Bowser needed an amp to reach a much lower level.

The universal+ feats are outnumbered by the 3rd dimensional ones, which makes said feats inconsistent.