Talk:Bowser VS King Dedede/@comment-26865490-20170627153336/@comment-29002772-20170627192446

Hmm...nice analysis, but a few things should be pointed out. There is no reason to say Bowser barely survives the black holes. He survived the supernova, black hole...basically the rebirth and destruction of the universe---he survived everything in a just a few minutes. The Super Mario Galaxy guide states that. Also, check this out. I know it's bing lol but still... https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=bowser+mario+galaxy+battle+2&view=detail&mid=4C7946965C9D8EBF9C784C7946965C9D8EBF9C78&FORM=VIRE 3:44 - 4:23...notice that he loses the Grand Star, shrinks down to normal size, and then survives the black hole. He comes out completely unscathed, not looking hurt/unconcious at all. Also, Bowser is actually physically stronger. His feats include pulling an island, and he was confirmed to be stronger than Mario, who lifted a castle at small size with ease--https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mario+super+mario+world+larry&&view=detail&mid=C4DF8B10AC19F8D2305BC4DF8B10AC19F8D2305B&FORM=VRDGAR 3:21, and Donkey Kong, an ape capable of lifting and punching a mini moon out of orbit-https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=dk+moon+punch&&view=detail&mid=B99AF4334F8EF6EC90F1B99AF4334F8EF6EC90F1&FORM=VRDGAR 0:26. Dedede with his hammer is pretty damn powerful, it can easily demolish buildings and can severely injure foes such as Kirby. But without his hammer, he can lift big monsters and stuff, but that doesn't really compare to Bowser's strength feats. Giant Bowser is even more powerful and durable, obviously. But with his hammer, as stated previously, Dedede is pretty strong. Also, Bowser doesn't need Kamek to help him grow big. He can grow big on his own, as shown in Bowser's Inside Story; https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=giant+bowser+battle&&view=detail&mid=85040089A909985F2F9285040089A909985F2F92&FORM=VRDGAR 0:32. Notice how he grows big on his own, espeically when something heavy is on top of him. Even one of minions asked him if he got hurt and stated that he grew all of a sudden, proving there was no asistance when it came to the change of size. Also, just saying cause it seems like you may not know this but...Mario Party was shown to be canon actually. So both Bowser's Inside Story and Mario Party show that he can sizeshift on his own. Now speed...without items, Dedede is faster than Bowser by a wide margin. But with a Grand Star, he is at least MFTL+. He was able to travel to the center of the universe in an extremely short period of time; https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mario+galaxy+2+intro&&view=detail&mid=4C15A243C1F87C9D2F854C15A243C1F87C9D2F85&FORM=VRDGAR 3:54. So...not really sure cause Dedede can also use the Warp Star, I suppose. Now durability. As I said before, Bowser survived everything at the end at once. Basically the rebirth and destruction of the entire universe which was reset by the assistance of the Lumas, and Princess Rosalina. Dedede has survived a planetary explosion, Popstar, with no scratches like Kirby and he CAN fight galaxy-universe level beings, but Bowser can take hits and harm Culex, who is Universal+ and others such as Dimentio, Antasma, Smithy, and Zeekeeper. Bowser did get help, but he did a significant amount of damage. intelligence...Bowser has invented many machines that Mario had trouble with, but Dedede is smarter in games....tie I guess...idk. '' I couldn't type this in paragraphs because the Enter button wouldn't work, sorry, lol. ''