Talk:Ash vs Red/@comment-26030372-20160810045326

Alright, the fairest version for this fight would be Manga Red, so let's go by him.

Ash's Pikachu is Town at best, that should take care of Poliwrath, but considering Red leads with Pikachu, Red's one should win. He one-shotted a Lugia, with one thunder. Lugia's Country level, Red's Pikachu should be able to fuck over most of Ash's team.

Once Pikachu gets exhausted, Red should switch into Venusaur, considering that's his go-to for this battle at this point. Ash would likely wear down Venusaur, and Ash-Greninja would finish him, but at this point, while extremely powerful, can't deal with Red's next onslaught of Pokemon. Don't forget how Red made a strategy better than anything Ash came up with, letting Venusaur stomp Charizard ass.

I feel Aerodactyl should be replaced with Charizard, considering that's appropriate for Red. Being Island rn, MegaZard should fuck over Greninja at this point, but if you go by Aerodactyl then, Aero should lose, but the rest of Red's team should be able to take down Greninja. At this point, Red's got about 3-2-ish Pokémon left, while Ash has 1-ish. Red should be able to handle that, being the superior trainer since this is manga. He's got better feats, even on his own.

Don't forget Red survived being frozen over and being turned to stone for a month, while Ash died from being turned to stone for even a bit.

Ash, you may've been my best pal during childhood, but buddy, I'm rooting the whole way through for you, but I gotta give this to Red.