User blog comment:Fedora Lord Para 348/Defending Death Battle Fanon: A Series by ParaGoomba348/@comment-26363797-20150803203919/@comment-25993979-20150811211615



'''That's the problem I was addressing. The Omnitrix would NEVER shut off. It returns the user back to normal after a period of time. But that doesn't matter, as the Omnitrix's fail-safe would keep Ben alive by switching him into a different alien (multiple aliens if need be) to keep him alive. So the idea of Danny just waiting Ben out is useless. Especially considering that Danny would have no idea that Ben (without Master Control) has a timer, what the Omnitrix is, what it does, any of its functions, or any of the aliens weaknesses. Giving Danny such information before the fight wouldn't be fair to either character. '''

by "shut off" I mean revert Ben back to normal. It would take at least a few seconds to choose another alien, so Danny might could get an attack in there. THats what i meant.

'''How so? You are defending this fight, and haven't stated you disagree with the way it nerfed Ben. So I took it as you defending Ben getting nerfed by only being able to use 10 aliens chosen at random, and that Ben wasn't allowed to use his Quick Change Function and turn into an alien while already being another alien. Something Ben has used in every series. Especially in Alien Force and Ultimate Alien.'''

The part i was referring to was "He's saying if The omnitrix shuts off, then Ben is vulnerable to Danny's attacks. I messed that up, but it doesnt change the outcome." in the context of how Ben died. I should have been more specific, but still.

'''Not really. NRG, Alien X, Atomix, Pesky Dust, Gutrot, AmpFibian, Echo Echo, Clockwork, Way Big, Gravattack, Chromastone, Ghostfreak, Feedback, Big Chill, Diamondhead, and Upchuck are very capable of hurting Danny. '''

Alien X, Way Big, Ghostfreak, and Big Chill were all mentioned. I dont know all of these alien's abilities (Its been awhile since i reaserched Ben), so the ones i dont talk about please explain. Echo Echo uses sound attacks IIRC, and Danny can easily counter with Intangibility. Clockwork can stop time and time travel. Since time travel could be considered fleeing, stopping time is the only option. And that really isnt much use considering he has to change aliens to attack Danny, and the power would stop as he changed. Diamondhead might be able to land a hit on Danny, but Danny can heal and/or use his Body Manipulation. Feedback redirects Danny's attacks, which can easily be gotton around by simply doing nothing.

'''I can think of a few more that can hurt Danny under certain conditions like Shocksquatch, Articguana, Heatblast, Toepick, Whampire, Ball Weevil, Buzzshock, Eye Guy, and more. '''

Sorry, i fail to recall these as well.

'''Aliens like XLR8 and Jetray could speedblitz before Danny could even blink. Danny's intangibility has to be activated consciously, so he can get hit by ordinary things if he is not expecting them or when something is moving too fast for him to react to. Remember: Intangible does not mean Unbeatable.'''

Yeah he can be speed blitz'd... for about two seconds. Considering his healing factor he can simply wait out XLR8 and Jetray by staying intangible until Ben changes.

'''Ghostfreak would not be susceptible to the Fenton Thermos. Ghostfreak is not actually a ghost. He is an alien whose species resembles ghosts. While we're talking about this, Whampire is not a vampire, he is an alien whose species resembles vampires. Blitzwolfer is not a werewolf, he is an alien whose species resembles werewolves. Snare-Oh is not a mummy. He is an alien whose species resembles mummies. Big Chill is not a ghost, he is an alien whose species resembles ghosts. (Big Chill wouldn't be affected by the Fenton Thermos either.) Frankenstrike is not Frankenstein's Monster with electric powers, he is an alien whose species resembles Frankenstein's Monster. I could go on, but I think you get it by now. '''

Okay, but Danny has more experience doing ghostly stuff than Ben does, plus IIRC Ghostfreak is vulnerable to ice attacks. Not to mention Danny is much faster than Ghostfreak.

'''I admit that this is a nitpick on my part, but Nercofriggians (Big Chill's species) can survive in the vacuum of space without the need for any kind of space suit. That's something that Big Chill can do, but Danny can't.'''

Okay. I dont see them going to space, though.

'''…And that means that Danny could defeat Way Big how exactly? That isn't a strategy, you're just ignoring the problem and hoping it goes away. (In this case Way Big's existence.)'''

<p class="p2" style="font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">It doesnt. Even if Way Big was used, Intangibility still counters it.

<p class="p1" style="font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">1.)You are aware that the "no outside help rule doesn't actually exist, right?

<p style="font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">2.) Even if it did, using Alien X wouldn't be outside help because it's something Ben could do butt naked in a field in the middle of nowhere. That's like claiming that Naruto using Kurama's (The Nine Tailed Fox) chakra is outside help because Kurama is sentient, but sealed inside Naruto at all times. Or that Shadow Clones should be banned because it calls "other people" to help the user in a fight.

<p style="font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">The "No outside help" Rule DOES exist, and before you throw Sam vs Snake at me, Sam relies so heavily on his support, it wouldnt be fair in the first place to send him in battle without it. They made an exception. Those happen.

<p style="font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">Actually, i do think that Kurama is outside help. Unless its some sort of tag-team battle. Kurama is its own being- if Naruto were in a fight, i wouldnt be surprised if Kurama was not allowed.

<p class="p2" style="font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">'''See the large list of aliens I mentioned earlier. It's cute when you think you have a point. '''

<p class="p2" style="font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">Aww, really? Thanks!

<p class="p2" style="font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">I also like how you still ignored the 3-4 other points in my comment and are nitpicking little details and making up what-if senarios on a fraction of my comment,

<p class="p2" style="font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">...Wait, WHAT!? When did i do that? I wasnt making up little scenarios, i was responding to a section of your comment.

<p class="p2" style="font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">'''rathar than responding to anything else I said. You also seem to be content with a heavily nerfed Ben fighting Danny being put at his strongest. It seems that you love ignoring things so long as it benefits you. (Way Big, Alien X, Omnitrix fail-safe, and the Omnitrix's Quick Change Feature.) '''

<p class="p2" style="font-size:14px;line-height:22px;">All the Fail-Safe does is cycle through the aliens, and there are soo many that would be useless (Aside from those mentioned), and the Quick Change feature doesnt change the battle much at all. It just leaves out the parts of Ben choosing his next alien, and eventually, EVENTUALLY, the omnitrix would have to shut off, leaving Ben vulnerable to Danny's attacks.