Talk:Superman vs. Thor/@comment-26381751-20150614222603

Thor:

Thor's strength-His greatest feat of all time is his lifting the Midgard Serpent, and it's the weight of the earth, now the earth weighs about 6.6 Sextillion tons, and we've already exceeded Superman in strength considering his greatest feat was pulling the earth and that is only about 6.6 Quintillion tons of force required to move it such a short distance, not to mention the force was greatly alleviated because of Hal's Harness, they opted to share the force, which means he couldn't even lift that, but let's assume he can-as he only moved it a very short distance-but let's go deeper than that.

Now as a mystical serpent constricting down on a planet, we can only assume it's stronger than an earthly creature, but let's use one as a comparison. An Anaconda weighing 550 pounds was measured as exerting over 90 pounds per square inch of force during an act of constriction, this equals a total force of over 8,818 pounds, or roughly, 16 times its bodyweight.

Stalemated Hercules who can lift the heavens, and both caused to open reality with a mere punch.

Now when we factor in that the Midgard Serpent was in fact exerting an additional sixteen times its weight in resistance due to being coiled around the earth at the time Thor hoisted it off, that would mean that the God of Thunder exerted enough strength to break over 105.6 sextillion tons of force, then he still has the weight of the serpent itself that he has to lift, and then toss it into space, which requires even more strength, but to determine that strength it requires knowledge of physics that I do not have. So it's likely that Thor can lift far more, considering his fishing position itself gave him even worse leverage for lifting. This, on top of his ability "Warrior's Madness" which activates in very prolonged battles, would increase his strength ten times over, which would easily push him into the Septillion Range

This is far over Superman's displayed strength. We also have to keep in mind the strength to pull Earth-which is about 6.6 Quintillion tons of force-was only accomplished after sitting in the sun for around 15 minutes, so that was after receiving a power boost. Then with one hand and under the pressure of his body-let's say this is 2/3rd of his strength-would equal out to about 4.5 Quintillion tons overall. With that, and then the 6.6 Quintillion-assuming Hal's harness didn't even alleviate 0.1 Quntillion tons of the force, even though it probably did-Superman pulled after sitting in the sun, There's a 1.4 Quntillion difference after 15 Minutes. So, in order to reach Thor's base level, it would take him about 18857.15 Hours,1572 Days, or 4 Years and Three Months of sitting in the sun.

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Now, just one more thing to point out, that's him wrestling around with Hercules, the guy who lifted up the heavens, the God of Power and strength himself, Thor is supposed to be his equal.

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And here are two panels of Thor resisting the weight of twenty planets like Child's play. 6.6*20=132. So that's 132 Sextillion tons he's under, and he's not budging, and even fighting it. Then, we factor in his warrior's madness and we once again breach Septillion with 1,320 Septillion

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Now, those are all Beta Ray Bill, but Beta Ray Bill has all the power of Thor, and even less experience, this is him destroying an entire planet without flying through the core.

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And just for good measure, here is Thor and Beta Ray Bill squatting Asgard.

Thor's Speed-Thor has many feats of punking both Quicksilver, and even Hermes, the greek god of speed, but that's not it.

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This is Thor inside a solar system attempting to catch up with a large starship that's already flown out of the solar system. Now as we can see here Thor speaks "Increase my speed a hundredfold" now while this may be a simple exaggeration, let's look at it like this. To move at 9x the speed of light between the sun and earth takes two minutes, this took Thor seconds to catch up with this starship, outside of an entire solar system. To give you an idea of just how big out own solar system is, check this out.

http://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html

Scroll through this entire thing, this is the entirety of our solar system if the moon were only one pixel. Now Thor flew out of that in mere seconds, which means he had to be going far, far beyond 9x the speed of light to make it there in about, two, three seconds max. In the actual math, we have Thor moving around 540x the speed of light in order to match that in seconds. But to move from the suns-which you can plainly see-to even the distance of Pluto, we'd need to increase that by a multiple of 39.5. When we do that, Thor traveled at a speed of around 21330x the speed of light. That equals about 6394573129140(6 Trillion) Meters per second, but in Miles per hour, he's moving at 14304252704769.15(14 Trillion) MPH. In the metric system, that's 23020463264904.003906 (23 Trillion) KPH

Now, pile this up against Superman's fastest speeds that have been mentioned, we have Superman at about 15x the speed of light at 15 Billion KPH, and Thor exceeding that 1422 times.

But that's not it, The ship Thor is chasing after is //also// moving faster than the speed of light, and his goal is to overtake the ship itself, and apparently he dropped out of that speed to do so because if he didn't, he most likely would have caused such a ripple in space-time around the vessel that it would have torn it apart.

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Here, just to prove my point, is Thor flying at 3x the speed of light with relative ease.

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Yet another speed feat that only further proves my point, he travels from the sun to the earth in a matter of seconds.

Thor's agility/reflexes-Thor's able to not only react to, but effectively catch and even reflect blasts of energy and objects moving far faster than the speed of light.

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This is Thor moving so fast that even Heimdall couldn't see him, a guy endowed with Super senses, able to hear the grass grow, the sap running in the trees or the beating of the wings of a butterfly on the other side of the galaxy and whose eyes see light years away.

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Thor refleting Blastaar's rays in a manner of Nanoseconds

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Here's a recent feat for him, dodging his own hammer when it was moving at insane speeds about two and a half feet from his face. (2000)

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Thor stating himself he's beaten people faster than Quicksilver as he kicks his ass (No stated volume or date)

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The Wrecker's Crowbar being grabbed by Thor as it was merely inched from his head (2000)

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Thor catching Bor's-his Grandfather's-axe as it was inches from his face (2009)

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Thor deflecting energy blasts (1999)

Here's some of Thor's Durability-I've shown you resisting the weight of those planets, and now here's another panel

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This is Thor resisting Hellfire like it's nothing, Ghost Rider's Hellfire.

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This is Thor resisting the gravity pull of a Neutron Star, A neutron star has 200 billion times the gravity of earth. That level of acceleration means a neutron star's gravity is faster than light.

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This is Thor just standing in the center of the sun, having a casual conversation with his brother.

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Thor resisting Arctic forces

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Thor resisting the power of an exploding sun

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Thor getting hit with a lot of electricity, apparently it's like food for him, and as a guy who controls lightning and thunder, this is a big advantage.

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Thor being rocked by multiple planet-destroying blasts from a Celestial, and coming out strong.

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This one goes under durability and speed I suppose, but saving Red Hulk from a Black Hole, and resisting the extreme gravitational pull.

Thor’s Endurance-This one may be similar to Durability, but there’s a difference, durability is how much damage you can take and what you can resist, Endurance is how long you can keep going.

Thor's advanced musculature is considerably more efficient than that of most other Asgardians. As a result, his muscles produce practically no fatigue toxins during physical activity compared to those of humans and most other members of his race. He possesses virtually inexhaustible stamina and can exert himself at peak capacity for countless months, at the very least, without tiring at all. Thor was able to engage the entire Frost Giants army nonstop for more than 9 months straight without any sustenance or rest. Thor was even able to fight and stalemate the Sky father Zeus uninterrupted while the months, and consequently the Trojan War, raced by Hela herself mentioned that Thor could fight on for however long it takes.

Thor was able to lift the 9 realms.

Superman's top speed is around 15x the speed of light, that puts him at minutes, not seconds.

Thor's Speed-Thor has many feats of punking both Quicksilver, and even Hermes, the greek god of speed, but that's not it.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/13/136540/3288303-1359551393-thor_.jpg

This is Thor inside a solar system attempting to catch up with a large starship that's already flown out of the solar system. Now as we can see here Thor speaks "Increase my speed a hundredfold" now while this may be a simple exaggeration, let's look at it like this. To move at 9x the speed of light between the sun and earth takes two minutes, this took Thor seconds to catch up with this starship, outside of an entire solar system. To give you an idea of just how big out own solar system is, check this out.

http://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html

Scroll through this entire thing, this is the entirety of our solar system if the moon were only one pixel. Now Thor flew out of that in mere seconds, which means he had to be going far, far beyond 9x the speed of light to make it there in about, two, three seconds max. In the actual math, we have Thor moving around 540x the speed of light in order to match that in seconds. But to move from the suns-which you can plainly see-to even the distance of Pluto, we'd need to increase that by a multiple of 39.5. When we do that, Thor traveled at a speed of around 21330x the speed of light. That equals about 6394573129140(6 Trillion) Meters per second, but in Miles per hour, he's moving at 14304252704769.15(14 Trillion) MPH. In the metric system, that's 23020463264904.003906 (23 Trillion) KPH

Now, pile this up against Superman's fastest speeds that have been mentioned, we have Superman at about 15x the speed of light at 15 Billion KPH, and Thor exceeding that 1422 times.

But that's not it, The ship Thor is chasing after is //also// moving faster than the speed of light, and his goal is to overtake the ship itself, and apparently he dropped out of that speed to do so because if he didn't, he most likely would have caused such a ripple in space-time around the vessel that it would have torn it apart.

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Here, just to prove my point, is Thor flying at 3x the speed of light with relative ease.

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Yet another speed feat that only further proves my point, he travels from the sun to the earth in a matter of seconds.

And then on top of it, Thor can swing his hammer 2x as fast as he can fly with it, which means in a fight itself he can swing Mjolnir at 46 Trillion MPH

Thor’s Endurance- Limitless This one may be similar to Durability, but there’s a difference, durability is how much damage you can take and what you can resist, Endurance is how long you can keep going.

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Thor fought the Dead for Forty Days and Forty Nights.

Thor's advanced musculature is considerably more efficient than that of most other Asgardians. As a result, his muscles produce practically no fatigue toxins during physical activity compared to those of humans and most other members of his race. He possesses virtually inexhaustible stamina and can exert himself at peak capacity for countless months, at the very least, without tiring at all. Thor was able to engage the entire Frost Giants army nonstop for more than 9 months straight without any sustenance or rest. Thor was even able to fight and stalemate the Sky father Zeus uninterrupted while the months, and consequently the Trojan War, raced by Hela herself mentioned that Thor could fight on for however long it takes.

Then, on top of all of this, around others, he always holds back.

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Thor straight-up stating he holds back all the time, he does it to protect mortals around him, and even here we don’t see the full extent of his power.

Energy and Weather Manipulation: Capable of large radius lightning and earth attacks Extremely powerful omnidirectional lightning attack, the residual energy is enough to K.O the Hulk Summons the winds of 1000 worlds Calls a lightning bolt in outer-space strong enough to hurt Amatsu Mikaboshi, the Chaos King. May have been his divine/white lightning. Creates lightning so fierce the thunder is heard planets away Capable of absorbing and redirecting energy, multiplying it tenfold Creates a storm that encompasses the entire planet Breaks the crimson bands of Cyttorak 1 2 Absorbs and redirected a direct blast from Glory 1 2 Can emit lightning from his body Removing oxygen from a fire and summoning snow Stopping a tsunami with a hammer throw Creates a chasm in Africa and repairs a moon with tectonic control Can create portals and teleport people quickly and without them knowing 1 2 Creating a portal to another Galaxy to bring water. He also states that he could open one to a sun or black hole and destroy the world Using a portal to a sun? Using a portal to "the dark matter edges of the universe" to siphon off Phoenix Force Energy

Hammerless: Has complete control over Mjolnir's when he throws it Has the ability to fly without Mjolnir. Seen levitating here too Summoning lightning with a word before he ever wielded Mjolnir 1 2 Can imbue his fists with lightning Can make it rain fire

Thor also has Divine Magic.

Thor has lifted and pushed the 9 realms which are 9 universes/dimensions and realities.

strength:http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420006616-a-single-strike-from-thor-has-sent-the-hulk-hurling-into-a-dam.jpg No need ticket for Hulk.

Send gorr waltz up to the moonhttp://http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420007125-thor-strikes-gorr.jpg http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420007128-thor-strikes-gorr-02.jpg

Blesse phoenix, a multiversal entityhttp://http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420006204-vs-phoenix.jpg http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420006210-vs-phoenix-2.jpg

Hit galactus: http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420005842-1435009-thor-vs-galactus-01.jpg

Thor holds head No:http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420007594-4020996-1.png http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420007555-4020997-2.jpg http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420007544-4020998-3.jpg http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420007561-4020999-4.jpg

Thor tank explosion capable of destroying 1/5 of the universe (Avengers Annual # 16) http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420008077-331838-thorforcefield-can-destroy-part-of-universe.jpg

Able to open a black hole by its simple force (young thor) http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420008280-young-thor-hits-gorr-so-hard-he-opens-a- black-hole.jpg

Raises a mountain very easily:http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420008373-moutain.jpg http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420008380-mountain-2.jpg

Discards cable adamantium:http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420008517-adamantium-cable.jpeg

Powerful enough to destroy a force field of the SS with a single attack:http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420008669-thorstrength16-jpg-original.jpeg

Adam warlock thor recognizes as one of the most powerful being in the universe:http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420008868-2247712-thorstrength40infinitywatch23.jpg

Thor rivals the strength of savage Hulk:http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420008936-2247716-thorstrength19defenders10.jpg

Raises nine planets including earthhttp://http://www.noelshack.com/2015-01-1420093118-thor-has-lifted-9-planets-including-earth.jpg

Raises the Midgard serpenthttp://http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420009035-thor-lifts-the-midgard-serpent.jpg

Invoke the 1000 worlds windhttp://http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420010143-summons-the-winds-of-1000-worlds.jpg

Hit Mikaboshi one who has eaten 99% of the multiverse: http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420010120-hit-mikaboshi.jpg

The mjolnir can absorb any type of energy, amplify and return:http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420010243-capable-of-absorbing-and-redirecting-energy-multiplying-it-tenfold.jpg

This time against glory:http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420010411-absorbs-and-redirected-a-direct-blast-from-glory.jpg http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420010408-absorbs-and-redirected-a-direct-blast-from-glory-2.jpg

Can create a storm that surrounds a planethttp://http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420010304-creates-a-storm-that-encompasses-the-entire-planet.jpg

Create portals and teleport people:http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420010571-can-create-portals-and-teleport-people-quickly-and-without-them-knowing.jpg http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420010578-can-create-portals-and-teleport-people-quickly-and-without-them-knowing-02.jpg

This time in another galaxy:http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420010754-portail-galaxy.jpg This can create a black hole.

Here it redirects the portal in the sunhttp://http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420010847-portal-sun.jpg

durability:

Capable of absorbing a bomb that can eradicate the gods of the past, present and future:http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420009272-absorbed-a-bomb-into-himself-that-was-supposed-to-erase-all-divinity-from-past-present-and-future-1.jpg

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Resists an attack capable of destroying a galaxy:http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420009337-absorbs-a-galaxy-busting-attack-with-mjolnir.jpg

Not affected by the temperature of the sun:http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420009381-sun-dura.jpg http://www.noelshack.com/2015-01-1420174732-thordurabilitysittinginthesun.jpg

Easily resists a supernova:http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420009385-thordurability03-exploding-sun-durability.jpg

The antimatter radiation does not affect:http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420009464-withstood-an-amped-electro-s-antimatter-blasts.jpg

The rays that freeze the molecules either:http://www.noelshack.com/2015-01-1420174715-resist-mollecule-freezing.jpg

electricity did not affect himhttp://http://www.noelshack.com/2015-01-1420174747-thordurability18-electrical288.jpg

Absorbs heat vision hyperion:http://www.noelshack.com/2015-01-1420175232-absorbs-hyperion-s-heat-vision.jpg

Hast no need heart to survive:http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420009562-can-survive-without-heart.jpg

Sheds its skin and the muscleshttp://http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420009636-bvj1udt.jpg

Can fight for 40 days and 40 nights without problemhttp://http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420009697-fighting-for-40-days-and-40-nights.jpg

Xavier and red skull can not get into his head:http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420009876-red-skull-with-prof-xaviers-brain-can-t-get-into-thor-s-head-until-he-lets-him-in.jpg

Emma frost either:http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420009881-thor-resists-phoenix-force-emma-frost-s-telepathy.jpg

Arrive tank has 4 attacks heavenly (universal)http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420016981-thor-survives-being-rocked-by-multiple-blasts-by-the-fourth-host-of-celestials-from-thor-300.jpg

Tank thanos an attack can easily destroy several planets:http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420017121-survives-an-energy-attack-from-thanosi-that-destroyed-the-planet.jpg

speed:

Combat the middle of 2 black hole against beta ray bill while remaining FTL:http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420017286-1373215301-5notvt.jpg http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420017287-1373215301-122g77s.jpg These black holes have gravity billion grams, add to this the weight of mjolnir 4.6 trillion tons:http://youtu.be/TbdH28prqac?t=59s FYI in Dragon ball the saiyajins trains in a gravity 300g and galley http://www.noelshack.com/2015-01-1420179327-dragon-ball-tome-28-85.jpg

Catches ego that moves in hyper spacehttp://http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420017938-2413045-2408682-ast02-007.jpg http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420017941-2413046-2408683-ast02-008.jpg

+ FTL feat: http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420018143-escape-blak-hole.jpg http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420018162-ftl.jpg http://www.noelshack.com/2014-01-1420018166-ftl.jpg

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Thor can block time:http://www.noelshack.com/2015-01-1420175677-freeze-time.jpg

And time travel: http://www.noelshack.com/2015-01-1420175681-thormjolnir42-timetraveljim122.jpg

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Info, power: Only those who are worthy may raise the hammer of Thor (1966) # 400

Thor can manipulate matter, teleport, revive, absorb energy and redirect it, detect any type of energy, control the weather, has a force enabling it to compete with Hulk, Hercules, red hulk or a gladiator.Thor the ability to produce a heat-shock blast capable of decimating entire planets and beings as powerful as Ego the living Planet .product and controls the cosmic energy.

Virtually invulnerable against diseases, poisons, radiation, fire, suffocation, electrocution, can survive against the total disintegration of the destroyer and can regenerate enough to affect rapidement.N'est in space, can fly with or without mjolnir resist has mental attacks xavier, emma frost. It has an invisible force field that protects the bioelectrical against evil and defy physics, sits in the core of the sun, to survive a white dwarf star 10 million times greater than our own supernova. Ignore Zero absolute.Tanks Reality warpers attacks and abilites .Can contain the explosion of a bomb that can destroy life 1/5 of the entire universe.

Thor and Hercules both, have lifted the heavens before, which is basically the universe itself. Also, thor's god blast is magic.

Thor resists temperatures hotter. He casually sits in the sun and casually beats Surtur on a regular basis. Sutur is vastly hotter than the sun.

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Thor can just drain energy from beings thanks to his Energy manipulation or just manipulate his or her molecules. Or with the Godblast wipe beings out of the plane of existence with the Odinforce.

Thor is extremely OP.

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