Talk:Ludwig VS Metal Sonic/@comment-26363797-20150623153643/@comment-26363797-20150810181929

1.)Not really because teleporting is NOT a speed feat. He'd have to react in order to teleport and nothing in Mario verse is faster than light and Metal has the same thing

2.)Lightning is not any where close to the speed of light. The light off of lightning is faster than light but the bolt itself is only 224,000 mph. Light is 671,000,000 mph. Ludwig can still get hurt by jumping on him and it doesn't mean Metal can't slice right through him.

3.)Well once again whatever Ludwig does Metal Sonic can too so Metal has far more abilities

4.)Yeah no. Ludwig would still die. The speed alone is enough to beat Ludwig

6.)First off, Metal Overlord is nearly invincible. It took three super froms, which is basically planet level, to take him down. Metal Sonic would copy his clones. It's possible. He can just use chaos control to avoid bombs and Metal Sonic is not hot headed in battle.

7.)Well Idk what that counter was

8.)Just because the Black Shield has no spikes doesn't make it the inferior defense. The design of the black shield is to block every single type of attack. Spikes or not, it's still impenetrable. Also just because it slows him down just a little isn't a disadvantage because he's still faster and can reach top speeds extremely quickly.

So once again, Ludwig's only advantage is durability