Talk:Z-Fighters VS Justice League/@comment-30199286-20180819135711/@comment-31550106-20181230170805

About time I responded to this (each number is for each source)

1. And Goku caused a universal shockwave across Universe 7, which includes the Otherworld, which is basically the Heaven AND Hell of the universe, and even reached the planet of the Kais, which is outside all of the aformentioned realms, all while in a transformation VASTLY weaker than even his current Base state, so what's your point

2 and 3. Both Cronos and his Scythe seem to be Universe level scaling to Zeus and from the shockwave feat, but that level of power is easily within the reach of most of Team Universe 7

4. He didn't shatter reality, he shattered Sinestro's ring.

5.Green Lanturn didn't kill Mandrakk alone. If you look closely in the panels, you can see many Supermen blasting both him and Ultraman with Heat Vision, then multiple Green Lanturns stepped up and stabbed him in the heart (since despite the other Green Lanturns saying they were "outta juice", 2 things debunk this : 1. Hal said "Gimme one last effort team", which implies that they all pitched in to help Hal, and also their Green Lanturn costumes were still intact, which would not have happened if they were truly out of power). Also, this could have been due to Nix Uotan, another Monitor, was there empowering his troops, since he was the one that summoned them. There are too many factors that can lead to too many levels of power in this situation.

6. I see nowhere that Krona was a threat to the multiverse, and this scene can very easily be considered an outlier. First off, Krona was holding all of the guardians captive, or at least it seems that way. Each Guardian has enough power to easily power up their respective Lanturn Corps. So unless you are saying that 1 Green Lanturn is superior to someone who is superior to all of the Lanturn Corps? Plus their Guardians?

7. He didn't fly across the universe, but I know that he is perfectly capable of this, so sure

8. This scan makes sense and is consistent, so sure

9. Lobo is even more inconsistent than the others. Sometimes he's gotten taken down by bullets and sh*t, other times he can fight on par with Justice League characters

10 and 11. Ok, Martian Manhunter I will admit will be the biggest threat Team Universe 7 will face, and not because of his power, but because of his mindhax. However, one could argue that Ultra Instinct could POSSIBLY counter this. Ultra Instinct makes the body move without any relation to the user's thoughts. So, it's possible that even if Manhunter wipes his mind, his body would still instinctually fight and dodge on it's own, independent of Goku's mind.

Overall, I'm still leaning a bit towards Team U7, but this fight is actuall MUCH closer than i originally thought.