Talk:Ludwig VS Metal Sonic/@comment-26363797-20150623153643

Wait what? No!! Metal Sonic would beat Ludwig. I don't even think he'll even need metal overlord to beat Ludwig. I'm not being biased and you did put a fair explaination but:

1.)Metal Sonic also has a teleporting ability too. He copied Shadow's chaos control which can also manipulate time. Also teleporting isn't a speed feat, especially when your opponent has the same ability

2.)Some of Metal's moves like lightspeed dash and lightspeed attack are far faster than what Ludwig can react to. He doesn't have any reaction speed that shows him reacting to lightspeed.

3.)Exactly how does Ludwig have the advantage in aerial combat when Metal Sonic can fly? Also even if he couldn't fly if Ludwig can do it, he can copy it. Which brings me to point number 4.....

4.)Metal Sonic can copy ANYTHING Ludwig does. He can actually copy strength(so Ludwig's advantage of being stronger ISN'T an advantage), Ludwig's teleporting, fatal attacks, clones, any ability he possesses. Then add that to the fact that he copy the whole entire Sonic Heroes' cast abilities, Metal Sonic has way more abilities to choose from than Ludwig does. Ludwig is basically fighting himself + Sonicverse. http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Metal_Sonic#Powers_and_abilities

5.)Ludwig can teleport, well Metal Sonic can stop time with chaos control

6.)Metal Overlord can takes hits from Super Sonic while Ludwig get defeated by Mario. I know that just because A beats B and B beats C doesn't mean A beats C, but there's obviously a huge difference in durability and Metal Overlord in the end is far more durable than Ludwig