Talk:Usagi Tsukino vs Madoka Kaname/@comment-27789707-20160225145816/@comment-794213-20160301041647

You're not getting it. Even if they're both omnipresent, Madoka is multiversal. While it never explicitly showed those things happening, it was all due to what Madoka had done. Wouldn't have happened if Madoka hadn't made that wish and achieved that power.

And actually, yes she did rewrite the universe. If you recall, it was thanks to the Incubators that the universe we know now came to existence. Without them, humans would still be living naked in caves. How did they evolve? Magical Girls, who would turn into witches, who would in turn fight Magical Girls, who would kill the witches. That was a concept and law that Kyubey had been using since humankind came to existence, and without a world of witches, that's a crucial part of Kyubey's original design lost.

Which means that Madoka had to have done something in those universes.

Oh, and rewriting a law does a lot for a universe. Especially since this is all witches. Past. Present. And future.

"....Becuse she's really good friends with Homrua she decided to take the long route and not simply BE where Homura is with her suppoed omnipresence but instead physically incarnated and took a while to travel to Homura.....what a great friend."

That could just be chalked up to plot-induced stupidity, or just flat-out bad writing. It's something completely inconsistent with how Madoka's conceptual being had been up to that point and was mostly just done as a means of giving Homura that multiversal power.

".......That is true in real life. But in fiction there are instances of Concepts that are limited in spacetime."

Madoka isn't though. She exists in her own abstract plane, but the concept of hope still exists within the Madoka multiverse. And since there are no more witches (remember, Madoka is also the concept of destroying witches), that's even more evidence of a concept being an omnipresent force.

Saying that the same should ring true for Usagi is being unfair. Because like you said, there hasn't been a multiverse that has been affected by Usagi being existence itself.