Talk:Goku vs. Bowser/@comment-30607935-20170829011326/@comment-29002772-20170914234143

The A>B and B>C so A>C logic doesn't work all the time. Also, Goku is definitely close to durability in Bowser, but I would give Bowser the edge as he has survived the rebirth and destruction of the universe, at least one or two black holes, and a supernova all at once without items and came out a bit unconscious. Goku, on the other hand, can take attacks from Beerus, who is indeed universal/above in power as well, but not really as impressive as surviving all those things at once with no assistance and coming out a bit dazed. Also, Bowser, while not really have ever fighting martial artists, has fought beings far more powerful and smarter; examples are Culex, Zeekeeper, and Dark Bowser. There comes a time where physicality beats technique every time. Bowser is just too strong and durable and his superior physicality is the reason Mario can't fight him without assistance from an item or his brother or someone, even with Mario's above average physicality and when comparing his mentality with Bowser's, Mario is superior. Dreamy Bowser also was fought against with more than only one person and it took a decent amount of time for the Mario Bros. as well. Also, Mario is capable of dodging lightning, so he has good reaction speed and is fast himself and capable of surviving the atmosphere and flying around galaxies and all. Bowser also has dark magic on his side to make it possible for him to teleport, shapeshift, etc.