Talk:Goku and Vegeta vs Sonic and Shadow/@comment-33478766-20180911225131/@comment-31550106-20180914004707

"I said Goku should be AT LEAST Multi-Universal. He might be higher then that but even so that should make a clear cut reason why he beats Game Sonic."

ok

"Also: Infinite's best destructive feat is making that illusion of a star. And Sonic needed help from the Avatar and his classic self to beat the Death Egg. Also: Beating Solaris doesn't make Sonic universal. It doesn't make sense as shown in games before Solaris, even in Super form, Sonic and Shadow struggled against planet level foes."

1. Infinite was beaten by Base Sonic

2. I said EGG WIZARD

3. Solaris has been stated to be a 4D being, and he is superior to the Egg Wizard, who merged Sonic's and Blaze's separate timelines together. This is a 4D level feat.

4. Sonic and Shadow were only able to beat Solaris by being charged fully with positive energy, something that they cannot pull out of their asses every time, so I see your point

"So for Sonic and Shadow to suddenly go from planet level to universal level in a short time spam makes no sense. I'm not saying Sonic hasn't gotten stronger over the passing games, his fight with Perfect Chaos in base form is proof he's gotten stronger, but for him to go from planet to universal during Solaris makes no sense."

Super form is based off of positive energy, and the amount they accumulate varies heavily in the games

"Not to mention: The Sonic 06 ending made it so Solaris never happened, and even in Super form, Sonic STILL struggled against weaker foes after Solaris. So to me: Solaris is either not multi-universal like everyone think, he's a glass canon, or his defeat was an outlier."

Already explained in previous paragraphs

"So In my eyes: Game Sonic doesn't stand a chance against current Goku."

Without prep, most definetely.