Talk:Goku VS Arceus/@comment-31172844-20170413124809/@comment-31550106-20170915002259

That makes no sense at all. Since goku absorbed his SSG strength into SSJ1 and punched beerus with that, that means that SSB is at an almost equal level to SSJ with God ki.

Debunked by the anime multiple times. SSGSS is not just ssj with God ki, its an entirely different concept. also, after the events of Battle of Gods, Beerus compared Base Goku with Weights with the ssj Goku with God essence, which implies that Goku's current base form is = to ssjg.

In the T O P, Goku used his red form while turning into his blue form only to attack. It was stated that SSB is stronger but slower than SSG, which defies the rule of the SSJ transformations where with every transformation, every aspect of him gets stronger (speed, strength, awareness) But blue only uncreases his strength and reduces his speed. Goku during the resurrection F arc was then only about universal+ at best then. Then moving on to the universe 6 vs 7 tournament, goku unlocked the SSB kaioken meaning that he is now at least 10x universal

It was NEVER STATED that ssjg was faster than ssgss. In fact, against Dyspo, goku quickly changed into ssgss for a split second because it was faster than ssjg. Ssjg is only better for stamina, but worse for everything else. Goku in RoF would already be Multi Universal because of Universal Godly Base + 160 quadrillion ssgss multiplier = Multi Universal Goku. He only lacks the range to do this.