Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26153757-20180317174148/@comment-32617116-20180629181740

MadMaxPyro wrote: Who wins? I need help deciding the result because I'm unsure. Apparently according to VS Battles Wiki Kamek is multi solar system level? "(Fought the Mario Bros several times and Dreamy Luigi, who can manipulate the sun and constellations. Even fought Bowser, Peach, and Yoshi at certain points.)" Meanwhile, it says Black Mage is only planet level for defeating Gilgamesh.

But is all this valid? And if it is, is there a way that Black Mage could win anyway with some kind of hax magic spells or does Kamek just win? It all depends on what you want to use.

If you use VSBW-style reasoning and logic, then I suppose Kamek has it. They both get their stats via scaling, but what Kamek scales to is faster and stronger than what Black Mage scales to. (Both BMoL and Vivi) He could speedblitz and one-shot, which I'm not saying you have to write it like that but that's basically how it would go in this situation.

If you use DB-style reasoning and logic, it could go either way. They both have a lot of the same powers like teleportation, mind manipulation, fire manipulation, force field generation, and of course magic in general. But they have powers the other doesn't, like how Black Mage has resistance to darkness manipulation to a degree and attack-reflection bypassing, or how Kamek has ally-summoning (of all sorts of creatures) and duplication. Their battle-smarts are about equal, but for book-smarts Kamek is stated to be the best Magikoopa and built a Time Machine in Yoshi's Island DS so I think he takes that.

I'm not sure myself. I would possibly lean towards Kamek, but heck I could even see this being a tie depending on what you choose.