Talk:Groudon VS Kyogre/@comment-25656629-20150812015731/@comment-25656629-20150812150503

Hm, if you ask me. Considering that the Primal versions are being used, and that Pokédex entries are. Then it could possibly be that close.

So, ultimately it comes down to Physical Attack and Defense against Special attack and defense and their move pool. To which Groudon probably has the deadlier move pool, now that the Water/Fire is out of the question. However, stuff like Hammer Arm and Solar Beam have a drawback. With Hammer Arm decreasing speed (Provided if this isn't just game mechanics, which I'd presume it wouldn't be) and Solar Beam taking time to charge.

Meanwhile, Kyogre. Doesn't have much going for it, with the exception of Double-Edge and possibly Ice Beam. Except for one thing, Sheer Cold. If Sheer Cold were to land a hit, Groudon's dead. Whilst it's accuracy isn't the best and Kyogre can't increase it's own accuracy. There's still 30% chance. However, Groudon has a similar move, Fissure.

So, in order not to sound too much of a Pokénerd, to sum up:

Groudon:

+ Physical Attack

+ Physical Defense

+ Solar Beam would do major damage if it were to hit

+ Fissure if it were to hit would be a OHKO

= Speed (Provided Groudon could lower it if he isn't careful and if the Hammer Arm speed decrease isn't just gameplay mechanics)

= Health in general

- Special Attack

- Special Defense

Kyogre:

+ Special Attack

+ Special Defense

+ Sheer Cold if it were to hit would be a OHKO

= Speed

= Health in general

- Physical Attack

- Physical Defense

- Can't get rid of fire entirely unlike Groudon can with water. Despite it not being much of a concern

So ultimately, I can't say who would win for certain. But, it could actually be possible that Groudon could take the win provided going through all of the possible outcomes and putting them together.

Just, good luck I guess.