Talk:Mario-verse VS Sonic-verse/@comment-30294856-20161209021816/@comment-30794067-20161230160313

Allow me to help you understand better Paleomario66,

If this battle took place in the Sonic universe then you're right about Solaris not being Multiversal due to the Sonic universe having 1 timeline. If the battle took place in the neutral dimension/Mario universe with a lot of timelines then Solaris can be Multiversal.

It took 2 people to defeat Dreamy Bowser in the present. So you divide their efforts by 2. You can't just call Mario and Luigi Multi-Universal for defeating Dreamy Bowser together. And about the 3 Super hedgehogs you need to understand this.

1 vs 1, 1 vs 1, 1 vs 1. 1 solaris each in 3 different time periods aka past, present and future. I might as well scale the 3 Super hedgehogs to 2C multi-universal to make it fair.

Since Dino Ranger Black is the one who upgrades or downgrades characters we might as well wait for him to decide if Dreamy Bowser is Multiversal or not. If he says no then Dreamy Bowser is going to have a lot of trouble defeating Solaris by himself.

Also no character would start turning Super/Dreamy Bowser before the countdown starts from 3, 2, 1, GO!. It's cheating to turn super/Dreamy Bowser before the fight even started. If you watched CFC Mario vs Sonic Total War you'll see that all of the characters started fighting each other in base form. This gives the Time Eater the chance to create time holes(Sonic Generations) and scatter the Mario characters including Bowser(3-A maximum), Antasma(4-A maximum), Mallow, Geno, etc away from the Dream and Dark stones before they even get the chance to break the stones and inhale the shards of the stones. Even if they tried to wish away Solaris at 3-A and 4-A it won't work on Solaris(Low 2-C minimum due to its superior durability).

Zeekeeper is going to have trouble fighting Solaris by himself without Bowser, Geno, Mallow, Antasma and other Mario characters to help him since they got scattered into the time hole to be frozen forever.

Before you mention Culex(High 4-C) he is outclassed by the time eater(Low 2-C).

Erazor Djinn(Low 2-C) and Solaris(Low 2-C to 2-B) then team up and attack Zeekeeper and eventually overwhelm it to death.

Well i guess I'll have to accept that the Mario verse loses...

I'm also being realistic here. I don't want to wank the characters.