Talk:Exodia VS Juggernaut/@comment-97641-20170701132452/@comment-97641-20170812155414

You're right; we aren't going to go anywhere so long as you consider Shimon Muran's Exodia the same as Exodia the Forbidden One. I'm not saying they are different characters entirely, but they are under two clearly clearly different conditions; the same way the Superman that tanked Goku is technically the same Superman who lost to Muhammad Ali and Batman. This is because Ali's duel was under a Red Sun and most Batman duels involve Kryptonite. Death Battle never considers these specific nerfed and unfair conditions in their analysis; and neither can we.

​There are many examples of Yugioh monsters that are canonically the same individual but due to certain historical events, alternate forms, related cards or other upgrades: they have different powers and traits entirely. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Counterpart http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_evolutions

One example of this is 'Warrior Lady'. Initially she was a basic wasteland warrior. Then after getting tossed into an alternate dimension and influenced by some crazy magic; she gained a power boost and the ability to send her enemies to dimensions. ​ So even within Yugioh; the same monster can have different forms and thus; different abilities. This means even Exodia has variations of different magnitudes due to different conditions.

So since Shimon's Exodia is clearly stated, at least 3 times, to be fueled by a human soul, which thus weakened Exodia, we cannot consider this version of Exodia.

So don't mention it again; it's irrelevant to our argument and you're beating a dead horse.