Talk:Goku VS Darkseid/@comment-31550106-20170929230811

The verdict was right, but there were several mistakes in the fight:

-Goku's best feat is not threatening to destroy the universe with 3 punches. Since he absorbed ssjg into base and can stack ssgss on top of the godly base, he can possibly be quinrillions of times universal. This does NOT mean Goku can destroy this many universes. Goku's ki abilities are all compressed into a smaller area so they can do more damage. This number I got only means that if someone had universal durability, Goku can destroy them easily, even though the blast may not be the size of the universe.

-Goku is faster than 60 septillion times the speed of light. If you make Goku FTL as a ssj in the Namek saga, multiply that by several thousand for the training he got througout the Cell and Buu saga and then make Goku absorb ssjg into base and stack on ssgss, he could become possibly septillions to even octillions of times the speed of light by RoF. This isn't even considering the Kaioken or the Goku Black Zenkai. He also has Instant Transmission, which is way faster than is normal combat and travel speeds.

-Buu is far more durable than Frieza. Yes, Frieza can survive planetary explosions, but the Spirit Bomb that Goku threw at Buu was far, far, FAR stronger than the one thrown at Frieza. Remeber, the Spirit bomb that was used on Frieza had the power of a handfull of planets, but the one thrown at Buu had the power of the Earth's population. This may not sound as impressive, but Gohan, Piccolo, Krillin, Tien, Chiaotzu, 18, Goten, Trunks, and everyone else on Earth, which puts the Spirit Bomb ar a multi solar system level. It also had the power of Vegeta, who is at bare minimum star level when gravely injured. And don't even get me started on 17. 17 could possibly be galaxy level during the Buu saga, since he's universal in DB Super, and the Buu saga only happened a few years before 17 made his debut in Super.

I mean, with the Anti Life Equation, Darkseid does win, but this fight is a lot closer than people think.