Talk:Sonic Opponent Battle Royale/@comment-32286613-20170802193118/@comment-27019676-20170904154443

>without immeasurable speed, Flash looses

Do you even know who The Flash is? We're taking about a guy who with or without immeasurable speed, can fight the Spectre, and survive getting kicked to Mars by him. And no, that ain't no outlier. He also one-shotted the physical and spiritual embodiment of the Black Racer. The same Black Racer who harmed the Anti-Monitor, and the same Anti-Monitor who cracked open the Multiverse in the New 52.

Hes strong. But also durable. Like I said before, he tanked a kick to Mars from the Spectre, and he survived a blast that knocked out the whole Justice League, and was the first to get back up. Who did that attack? Darkseid. New 52 Darkseid IS Multiversal, via Darkseid War. And not to mention he fights people FTL, and tanks MFTL punches oin a daily basis.

You were right about hax though. Speed Steal, Time Traveling, and Phasing, namely. Nor Mario nor Goku have any counter for that. He has the speed to blitz them, with or without a fight put up.

And people don't really take his white lightning into account. Its basically his super form in the New 52, and he is the Anti-Zoom, and is granted Time Manipulation, and can move time forward.  Neither of them stand a remotely close chance against the Scarlet Speedster.

Paper Mario? Flashes hax should blitz him too.