Talk:Human Torch vs Natsu Dragneel/@comment-3463132-20180703012947/@comment-26184007-20180704054038

Remember that this is a head to head battle without any prep time and you make it sound like Torch know about Natsu's counter abilities and his potential. Natsu doesn't usually play fair either, he usually finds ways to defeat his opponents too. Torch still uses fire if he had to try and deplete oxygen. But Natsu has on many occasions been surrounded with fire and eats it. Natsu eating flames has never been an NLF. He always done this many times and experienced with fire. Natsu has only been burned by God Slayer Fire, which isn't normal fire. Natsu landed on Atlas Flame which is hellfire and if anyone touches it gets burnt. Natsu isn't burned from that. Or his own flame that apparently burned Zeref's soul and time. But if you did see Natsu hit with flames, it's usually the physical effect of it, not the elemental effects.

Are you implying that Torch can drain Natsu's magic by standing there, even in Dragon Force or half dragon mode? Torch can absorb energy that was blasted to him, not drain it from people. Natsu can also eat and absorb fire, no one usually prevents Natsu from eating fire. Plus if there flames from both combatants are scattered across the area, Natsu can eat flames around the area.

You're overplaying Torch, really. I can see it. People have overplayed and overscaled characters many times. Especially Dragon Ball fans (Goku vs Superman) or One Piece Fans. The reason why I can brought up the pokemon thing was because I recent went down into an arguement with some idiot fan who thinks a Charizard can beat Natsu. Which is wrong.

I don't remeber planet sized flames, has he ever done that? Or has he ever accidently destroyed the world with it? Or are you bloodlusting? Death Battles go for what the combatant does in character. E.g. Goku avoids unfair play, which he didn't want to use kryptonite to defeat Superman. Or Batman refuses to use guns. Red (Pokemon) following rules of pokemon battles (Pokemon vs Digimon). Every aspect except pacifism is used for each character.

I can see you saying the temperature of Torches flames but it's still fire. Natsu can eat fire that is not his own. This is similar to stuff from previous death battles. Most fantards say Goku defeat gods and has divine ki. But screwattack pointed out it's still a form of natural life energy which Superman is invulnerable to. Even if Superman has been defeated despite his invulnerability, we don't use plot constructed random points in their timelines as a excuse. We want to use the characters fullest potential. You saying Natsu have been hit with fire despite their he is shown to withstand dragons fire and hell fire, is clearly pointing from a plot constructive point.