Board Thread:Wiki Management/@comment-26568830-20190727211101

I think Sans-and, by extension, most UT characters-should be blacklisted. For the simple reason being that they have virtually no feats.

Let me explain, with Sans as an example.

Sans, as a character, has nearly NO feats that actually have meaning outside of Undertale.

It's damn near impossible to retrieve any actual strength feat from Sans; the only thing close to that is '1 ATK'-and how strong, exactly, is one attack? Does that mean he can destroy a car with ease? Or a car at most? Is Sans a galaxy buster? He has no strength feats. What about Speed? How fast is Sans? The only speed feat he possesses is dodging the human's attack a bunch of times. Which, in of itself, is valid! But I ask you-how fast is the human's attack? There is absolutely no way to measure how fast Frisk/Chara's attack is, therefore him dodging that attack is meaningless because it doesn't indicate his durability at all. How durable is he? The only thing even close to resembling durability is '1 DEF' but, again, fucking meaningless outside the game. Does that mean he has wall-level durability? Building level? Planet level? You could say 'just compare him to the monsters'-but how strong are those monsters? And you might say-'compare the monsters to frisk/chara'-and how strong are those two? Absolutely meaningless.

So Sans is a character with no identifiable Speed, Strength, or Durability at ALL.

'''How does Karma work? '''There is no evidence of Karma hurting you depending on how sinful you are, that's complete nonsense. Hell, people have even hacked the game-played the Sans fight with Frisk at Level 1-and,despite having not killed a single monster, having KR work. Nobody says anything even close to 'KR only works on sinful people'. And KR only damages a soul, right? On that note... How do UT Souls work? Since ever single fucking attack in UT attacks 'the soul', how powerful is the soul of the average, you know, DB combatant? Nearly any assumption for any fighter can be debunked, meaning that there's no way to decide how powerful a soul is. And on that note, can DB combatants move their soul since Frisk can? Can they note? If they can, how fast can they move their soul?

So Sans is undefined in every single characteristic, including the entire nature of his abilities, and the only verifiable thing he can do is 'teleport'. And even that's vague, since we don't know ANY of the limits or specifications of his teleportation. And, unfortunately, every single UT character has the same problem Sans does. Think of it this way-you know how we know nothing about W.D. Gaster for a fight? Literally, we know just a little bit more about Sans, Toriel, Asgore-everyone, when compared to Gaster. And as a result, every single UT Death Battle is working off pure, baseless assumptions. All of those battles are going off absolutely nothing, and those battles boil down to literally just what their opinion of Sans is, and nothing else. Because he's not definable by any way that would be even a little helpful for a fight. And using him is like using W.D. Gaster.

Now, I know I'm going to be yelled at from every nook and cranny. People like UT-especially Sans-DBs. A lot. But I'm still hoping that, for the good of this wiki, we get rid of future Undertale death battles. Hell, I'd even suggest deleting all the Sans DBs-after notifying the authors of them, say, a month ahead of time-since all of them are opinion pieces with essentially no real facts. 