Talk:Victini vs. Veemon/@comment-28778087-20160628214714/@comment-26478829-20160724160954

Magnamon has miracle abilities, which means the Universe is and always will be on his side. Its a very powerful version of "Probably Manipulation". Even if you don't count that, Magnamon would scale to Planetary (Craniummon) in the anime, Universealcharacters (Gallantmon/Dukemon) in the lore manga and Multiversal (Mother Eater) characters in the games. Magnamon would stomp, hard.

That said, Victini probably beats all of Veemons other forms (except for Ulforceveedramon and AeroVeedramon, obviously) fairly easily from what I've heard.

@Dante hotspur	The VSB wiki rates Craniummon at Universe level for scaling off of Gallantmon, who is equal to ChaosGallantmon who was capable of collapsing two universe.