Talk:Goku vs. Bowser/@comment-30607935-20170829011326/@comment-31550106-20170914232639

 Bowserboy

 You can't possibly think Bowser's experience ONLY includes kidnapping princesses. There are many things representing his individualism and diligence and he would succeed at those too.

Fine, I made a mistake there

 Also, while Goku may be faster than Bowser, Bowser doesn't have to be Giga to beat Goku in physical strength by a wide margin. Bowser has pyrokinesis (unlike Bowser, Goku has fire as a weakness), geokinesis, telekinesis as Dreamy, etc.

Goku never directly states that fire is his weakness. He's only weak when he's off guard. Also, Goku also has telekinesis. Geokinesis woon't matter when Goku and Bowser re destroying the universe in their fight.

 Bowser's superior durability and even more superior strength beat Goku's superior speed and techniques.

In DBz, unless your off guard, Power = Durability. I know it's not directly stated, but it makes sense because if Goku's durability was below his power, then his body would break down if he tried doing anything universal. Since Goku has more power and DC than Bowser, we can safely assume that Goku also has an edge in durability against Bowser, if only slightly. also, Goku survived Hakai energy in his base form, which is an INSANE durability feat.

 Though Goku is an expert in martial arts, he is not really that smart (I'm not saying Bowser is the smartest genius in the world).

Sure, Goku's dumb, but only in terms of common sense and school. In a fight, Goku's actually considered a fighting mastermind, and can think of many stradegies to fight against Bowser. Plus, Bowser has never fought someone like Goku, since he has never fought a genuine martial artist before. Goku, on the other hand, has fought Hirudegarn, which has similar techniques as Bowser, although clearly not as strong as him. He also fought numerous other aliens in the Universe Survival arc who have similar abilities and fighting styles to Bowser.

 Also, speedblitz? Dreamy could easily do that and he is physically superior to Bowser in like, every single way. Hell, Bowser without Dreamy has MFTL+ reaction speed. I'm not even going to get started on Paper.

Dreamy Bowser was taken down by Mario and Luigi in their basse forms, so I doubt that Dreamy Bowser is that fast. Even if he was, Goku (if you do the necessary multipliers) can reach septillions if times faster than light, and his speed is practically infinite with Instant Transmission.

Think of it like this, Mario > Bowser, but Goku > Mario, but Bowser > Goku? This doesn't make any sense.