Talk:Goku vs The Flash/@comment-26374068-20170521022015/@comment-26374068-20170521174153

I understand that. But what I'm saying is if Goku can resist completely stopped time, I believe he can resist Flash's speed a little.

I feel you, bro. It sucks when most people just run to VS Battles to settle debates instead of doing their own research. I'll admit--I ain't any Flash expert. That's why I'm asking you questions.

Yeah, Spectre's 2-A. But here's an odd way I scale: was Spectre 2-A when he fought Flash? It's easy to answer that question--had Spectre battled Anti-Monitor (I think that's who he fought which made him 2-A) before he fought Flash, or after?

If the latter, then I believe it scales. If you wish to use that feat to make Flash beat Goku, I would agree with you.

If the former, then I don't believe it should properly scale.

For example, I believe in Tier 1 Paper Mario characters, correct? Well, I don't believe every single Paper Mario character is Tier 1. Just the characters that scale to those who took part in Super Paper Mario and the games to follow.

I actually only place characters from TTYD in Tier 4, with one guy who is possibly Tier 2 due to ripping through the fabric of the sky effortlessly.

Everyone from Paper Mario 64 are only Tier 5, possibly higher due to Mario Party 5 showing that the Star Spirits protect a multiverse. You get it, right?

Goku still has telekinesis, telepathy, etc. even if his body was to be completely disabled. I'm not exactly too sure about how Speed Steal works though; does it steal the foe's combat speed, flight speed, movement speed, or all of it? Can the enemy still fight?

I believe Goku could still fight due to mind attacks, but I wanna know if he'll still be able to use Ki.