Talk:Toad vs Cream and Cheese/@comment-26374068-20150808050540/@comment-26418719-20160423215245

1. Except the Starman hasn't gotten more powerful. Even in the latest Mario games, later ones than the Newest Mario Party, have it at 18 seconds, not 30. Clear contradiction there.

2. An argument can be made just as easily for Game Mechanics being the reason that they COULD escape a Black Hole in Mario Party. After all, at no other point in the series has ANY Mario character escaped a black hole. And in the games they DO appear in, they're always lethal, aside from that ONE Mario Party. Also, your analogy is kinda sucky. After all, in multiple games, Sonic does showcase the ability to run up walls. Like, for example, in Modern Rooftop Run in Sonic Generations, or hell, ANY wall in Sonic Lost World. Hell, even Boom Sonic shows the ability to do that, and Boom Sonic, compared to every other incarnation, is downright pathetic.