Talk:Red vs Sans/@comment-31200947-20170213151536

In Pokemon types, Sans's "telekinesis" would be fairy type because he has no mental powers and is more reasonable think of that power as magic. He is a skeleton, he does not have a brain in the skull but he is also a monster so he works by magic. Although I know Sans moves FTL I disagree with the result of this fight for 7 reasons:

1. (Even before sun and moon )The events of Johto take place 3 years after those of Kanto, and Red appears in the tournament of the champions in B/W 2, that is 2 years after B/W so he would have a minimum of 15 years. https://www.google.com.ar/search?q=linea+de+tiempo+pokemon&biw=480&bih=239&tbm=isch&prmd=inv&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjkkqPO-IvSAhVJDJAKHXTcBZkQ_AUIBSgB&dpr=1#tbm=isch&q=timeline+pokemon&imgrc=sOZOQsUHAIA6IM:

2. Even as a 10 year old boy, he defeated all the adults and old people in Kanto, keep in mind that the Pokemon battles are 80% strategy.

3. Sans having scientific knowledge is useless in a fight and his age is unknown so you couldn't claim that he is older than, say, Elite Four Agatha who is as old as the Professor Oak.

4. Okey, let's assume for a moment that Sans has telekinesis, why his telekinesis would be at the same level as the telekinesis of a Pokemon? (Broken as humans are in Undertale, they have no defense against non-physical situations To which they are exposed) But more importantly, how can telekinesis be "counter" or cancel each other? that makes no sense, if you use powers to grab or manipulate someone you are not preventing him from acting (and that the enemy uses his own powers) you only take away his mobility. Think of SW III, with the Anakin and Obi-Wan fight the two use The Force against the other and both are affected.

5. You don't have to be a Pokemon Master to notice Sans's ability to dodge so Red would eventually use attacks with more precision;

Charizard has one called Swift that never fails, even in his incarnation in Anime or Manga Swift pursues the enemy and the only way to avoid it is that to protect itself with some type of barrier (that Sans doesn't have). Blastoise or Lapras (By the way Red replacement Espeon by a Lapras )or probably both have Surf that in a 3 vs 3 battle damages everyone, even allies. Venusaur and Snorlax have Earthquake, also basically impossible to dodge. Blastoise also has Aura Sphere same as Swift, but more powerful. Pikachu has Fake Out that ALWAYS attacks first and backs the opponent, but only works on the first turn (once the Pokémon is set) that would easily take Sans by surprise. Pikachu also has Quick Attack, and no, the fact that attack first is not a game mechanic; Despite being part "physical attacks" many attacks in pokemon are still "techniques" with strategic uses, plus the fact that only relatively fast pokemons can learn it.

6. LoVe ≠ Level; Pokemons love fight for instinct but they never kill, only defeat. They gain a combat experience that is completely different from Execution Points, they also gain friendship with the trainer (which is seriously a mechanic in Pokemon but also happens in Anime, Manga and Ovas ). Now, the fact of how karmic retribution works is debatable but the concept of karma implies that if you do good things then good things will happen to you, I definitely don't want to say that Sans's attacks regenerate health, but it would cost very much to Sans defeat each of Red's pokemons.

7. Snorlax would definitely take Sans by surprise and end the fight. He has an object called Thick Fat that randomly allows the user to attack first with the cost of being very unlikely to be activated (in fact it is competitively useless). The chances of that object being activated are few but inevitable with the amount of health of Snorlax, the attacks of Sans being weak, Red regenerating his pokemon and Snorlax being able to rest to recover his health.

(8. The "Poison Effect" of Sans would be neutralized by the Full Restore of Red but call the karma "Poison Effect" is nothing more than speculation so I don't affirm anything, at the same time the Full Restores heals any state problem (poisoning, freezing, burns, paralysis, induced sleep and confusion) so the karma could actually be canceled.)

And I repeat, I know that Sans goes faster than the speed of light or at least at that speed, and before you say that several of the things I said are "game mechanics" remember that they are adapted in the same way or better in Anime, Mangas, Ovas(, Card games) and mentioned "How does this work?" for people in the games outside of the combat mechanics, so I would need evidence of what you affirm.