Talk:Jasper VS Undyne/@comment-27448264-20151227065543/@comment-27583694-20160110132649

Undying is a culmination of all humans and monsters. She literally feels EVERYONE driving her to be determined enough to beat Chara. Humans, monsters, all of them. She's also the only monster who seems to be able to use Determination, and Determination alone is the driving force that allows Frisk to stand up to Asriel's God of Hyperdeath form. Of course, Undying is not even a fraction of that usage of determination, but even at that, the results she gets are STUNNING. Undyne's range and superior strength win the day here.

Just a reminder that LV comes EXCLUSIVELY from Monsters. Otherwise, with all the meat that the Underground uses, a lot more people would have some damn high LV themselves. So Jasper wouldn't have any LV. Not that her soul is under attack, really. But Undyne, even at a base level, suplexes BOULDERS. Yeah, Jasper is a little faster than base Undyne, but Undyne is much more physically powerful than Jasper. And without having a direct way to attack Undyne's soul, the fight becomes a lot more full-out fighting. If Jasper drives her to Undying, game over. If she can do that. Undyne at a base is still a close match. Could go either way at that point.