Talk:Sonic vs The Flash/@comment-34065399-20171224234849

@Negative Judge You were not specifing what you meant by that analogy, I assumed that the doors in The Legend Of Zelda are used as teleporters. Like an example would be during a funny horror scene in Scooby Doo when they are getting chased in a mansion or something like that. How am I going against the author's intent? I literally stated that it's inconsistent. The One Above All and The Presence are both Omnipotent. Enerjak and Mongul are NOT omnipotent what so ever. Omnipotent means that you have infinite power with no limit to your power what so ever. If Mongul had infinite power then how did he lose against Super Sonic? Is Super Sonic above omnipotence? That is illogical. No one in Archie is omnipotent based on evidence. Also, Sonic can clearly take damage in his Super form. Please just accept that. If Mongul lost against Sonic then he clearly is Nigh Omnipotent. He has a limit to his power which clearly means that he is not completely Omnipotent. Enerjak even gave a fraction of his power to Mongul. Are you saying that infinity can be divided? Half of infinity is STILL infinity. Also this just explains that Enerjak's power is not infinite. Same with Mongul. They clearly have a limit in their power. Have you ever heard of a retcon by the way? The Living Tribunal was stated to be Omnipotent by the writers, but he was beaten by The Beyonders. The Spectre was stated to be Omnipotent but he was beaten by Mr.Mxy. This means that they are Nigh Omnipotent. Whether the writer says it or not. It's just a safe assumption. I bet if you were to ask a writer they would agree. Now let's go back to Super Sonic. Super Sonic has taken damage in his Super form multiple times. He is not completely invulnerable. He is NIGH invulnerable. Think of it like this, Superman was stated to invulnerable but he was still damaged by beings like Darkseid and Doomsday. This means that he has NIGH invulnerability. Remember when Super Sonic in his Classic era days got damaged by Knuckles? He was clearly taking damage. Or in the video games when Super Sonic was knocked out of his Super form by Knuckles? Also i'm using this because you believe that Archie Sonic is a completely composite Sonic. This will make my argument easier, lol. Super Sonic was also knocked out of his Super Form by the shockwaves he created against Knuckles' punches. You can even see the rings being knocked out of him. This is evidence that Super Sonic has Nigh Invulnerability resistance. Just like Superman. Andre, outside of Fandom you go on about how young Enerjak had omnipotence but suddenly gotten more powerful when he got older. Please stop lying just to support your argument, makes you look bad. No one was slandering argument, my other response to yours was more of a joke. Now i'm a bit more serious to finally end this pathetic debate. Also, stop using Dragon Ball as your examples, it's a very terrible choice. Buuhan was stated to be omnipotent, Goku was stated to be limitless, Broly was stated to also be limitless. This is why it is terrible to use it as an example. It is no question that Buuhan is NOT omnipotent. Goku is NOT omnipotent. BROLY IS NOT LIMITLESS. That is fact. Also, The Zamasu/Goku Black comparision to Black Racer is terrible. First of all Black Racer FUSED with Barry Allen. The source of the Speedforce plus the power of the New Gods. A very combination that resulted in the death of Darkseid. A Darkseid that was stalemating with New 52 Antimonitor. Who was stated to be as powerful as the one from Crisis On Infinite Earths. The Anitmonitor destroyed millions of universes. When I said "1000s," that was just a low ball. But i'm going to be more realistic here. The Antimonitor's power rivaled with the full power of Spectre. The full power of Spectre can easily negate the 5th dimensional powers of Mr.Mxy himself. Mr.Mxy played with the entire DC multiverse, which is infinite. So please, do not compare Mongul or Enerjak to those entities. Also, do you really think Sonic will always have ALL 7 chaos emeralds on him? This is a fictional fight anything can happen. Let's say Flash goes fuses with Death then goes to fight Ultra Sonic. But in Base form, Flash would win. But if Sonic transforms, The Flash can go get his hands on a White Lantern Ring. Which is one of the most powerful weapons in ALL of DC. Let me tell you some of the crazy crap that it can do. It has all the powers of ALL the Lantern Rings. Also, when you use the White Lantern Ring you AUTOMATICALLY know how to use it. You AUTOMATICALLY know how to use every single ring on the spectrum. The anger of the Red Lantern ring which allows you to get more stronger the longer you use it. Which will give him a huge edge. The White Lantern Ring draws on and is connected to the powers of life and creation. The White Lantern ring can create various forcefields of various shapes and sizes to protect the wielder of the ring. These force fields can allow them to be protected from hazards of The Void including filteration of steller radiation and microscopic particles. Like all the other rings, it can create constructs from their imagination. Keep in mind in The New 52, the Flash instantly knew how to use the Green Lantern ring. He was also able to come up with an infinite ways of using it. Imagine the possibility if he were to use a White Lantern Ring, like he has done before in the past. The ring can also phase through solid objects just like The Flash's own ability. The White Lantern ring can also allow them to absorb very powerful energy and use it against their enemies. Similar to what Wonder Woman did at the end of the movie against Ares. But a lot more advanced. The White Lantern ring also allows the user to able to fly, But Flash wouldn't really need that. The ring also allows the user to use Wormholes. Which can let them teleport or trap their enemies inside them. The ring also allows the wielder to create an exact energy clone of his/her/itself that can travel far faster than the user's actual physcial self But The Flash's speed is infinite so that is useless. This twin can be used as a distraction, due to the fact that user will be seen as invisible to the enemy. Any knowledge gained by the twin is transformed back to the user of the ring.  But actually, White Lanterns are not allowed to make ACTUAL clones of their selves that can fight. But The Flash using his Speed Force power can. He can create Speed Force scouts, or remnants of himself. One of the most powerful powers of the White Lantern Ring is the ability of Mind Alternation. This allows the user to alter memories or erase them completely. The result of this power is deadly and dangerous to the victim. If the user were to ever get hurt, the ring would just automatically heal them from their injuries.This ring also allows Time Travel. But The Flash does not need due to the fact he can already do that on his own. The White Lantern ring also has the power of levitation. Hopefully you know what that is, right? If the user of the White Lantern Ring were to be in serious danger, they can just teleport in the ring itself. The White Lantern Ring is a whole dimension itself. The ring also allows the user to be revived if killed. But again, this is useless. Due to the fact that the Flash himself is immortal. If he were to die, he would just conjure up immediately in the Speed Force and just hop out of the Speed Force. Source:http://greenlantern.wikia.com/wiki/White_Lantern_Power_Ring  Are you insulting my intelligence by the way? I know what a multiverse is. A multiverse are made up of multiple universes, like 18 universes. What do you mean Instant is not the same in a higher dimension? Instant is a concept, it literally means "happening or coming immediately." Now the word Instant can be used in a different concept to people that use it. But, the fact is it is happeneing immediately, such as the shortest time frame. That would be an instant. The Flash also has resistance to Reality Warping because of The Speed Force. Like what the dude that commented a few comments down, The Flash negated the effects of Anti-Life equation. Which is reality warping in itself. By the way Sonic has no resistance to phasing what so ever. The Flash phasing through a wall at the wrong frequency once caused it to explode. Sonic has never shown anything that can resist that. You can argue that Sonic can vibrate too, but I remember he actually hurt himself doing that. The Flash can also Speed Steal Sonic without question. The Flash stated that he could speed steal Superman easily if he wanted to. Amazo, a enemy, that copied Wally's speed, had his speed stolen by Wally himself in less than a second. There is no doubt that he could do the same for someone like Sonic The Hedgehog. You mentioned that Sonic can just banish The Flash into The Zone Of Silence. That is dumb, i'm sorry, but it is. It was stated that it is very difficult to escape The Zone Of Silence, but it is NOT impossible. It reminds me of The Phantom Zone. Even The Phantom Zone was rendered to be impossible to escape. But Superman Prime and Doomsday were able to ONE PUNCH their way out of it. I'm pretty sure if Flash was trapped in the Zone Of Silence he would just Speed Force hop out of their. Or just phase through like he did to get from one Universe to another immediately. So that argument is just pitiful. Also, wanna know something else? Since you said the excuse, of the narrator staying that Mongul destroyed millions of writers. Many narrators and writers straight up said Flash's speed is limitless. Or Batman in Superman's body literally stated that he had NO limits. Also, you are wrong, characters in DC have gone faster than the Speed Of Light and was straight up stated too. The Flash WAS not going trillions times the speed of light when he saved 500,000 people. It was stated that he went below the speed of light. Flash was breaking logic itself. Also a young Sonic phasing through a zone is quite impressive..for him. You believe zones are universes right? Hmph. The Flash in his early days did THE SAME EXACT THING. In his early days he was able to run on space against his race to Superman to the edge of the universe. How are you going to state that it was never stated the Flash never merged infinite amount of universes?? The old universes were erased and replaced. Then three universes were combined because of The Flash. How are you going to mention that, please state your reasoning. You believe Goku is multiversal, correct? Where in Dragon Ball was this stated, Andre? Nowhere. Also that's what ACTUALLY happened, Flash DID cause that. Also, Flash can bypass this so called no Limits fallacy, "Fate." Which results in automatic victory? Didn't Megaman beat him up in a fight, that was definitely a L. Joking, don't take that bait. As I was saying, The Flash CAN bypass Sonic's fate, do you want to know how? The Flash's brain can calculate an infinite amount of outcomes and possibilties that will assist him in beating Sonic. He has shown to do this in the New 52. At first, he did not know how to exactly use it properly, but now he has is more experienced he knows how to do it. Time manipulation is completely irrelevant. Due to the fact that New 52 Reverse Flash tried slowing down time and Barry resisted it by speeding up his own speed. The Flash even stated that he could create holes in the universe by running to fast. He even almost destroyed the entire universe by running to fast to save Iris West. I want to mention outrunning the Big Bang once again. An explosion from The Big Bang would be spreading  in  60 trillion light years in half a second. Which is about That is about 3.82e+21 times faster than light. Let's talk about some of the powers of The Flash. He obviously has Super Speed, Superhuman Stamina, Superhuman Reflexes, Superhuman Agility, and accelerated Healing regeneration. The Flash could easily and quickly heal from injuries immediately. The Flash also has aerokinesis. By running in a circle at high speeds, users are able to create a vortexes with many different effects. He can even suffocate his enemies by rotating his arms at such high speeds. Electrokinesis is another power that all speedsters have. Electrokinesis is Speed Force energy that allows them manifest from their bodies. Enhanced Mental Process is also another ability The Flash has. He can access superhuman levels to further process information at such high speeds. He can test theories, understand difficult equations, and run trial and error in his brains at superhuman speeds. Enhanced senses allows him to process data even going at such high speeds like faster than light. Phasing allows attacks to just go right through them. The Speed Force Aura keeps them from harsh conditions associated with high speeds. It also keeps them from danger such as punches or energy blasts. Dimensional travel allows them to immediately reach one universe or reality. Time Travel is quite straight foward. Chronokinesis allows The Flash to manipulate speed to his will. He can slow down time, speed up time, or completely stop the flow of time with ease. The Flash has electromagnetism, energy construct creation, which are similar to the constructs created from a Lantern ring. They can create constructs out of pure Speed Force energy. Some more abilities are The Infinite Mass Punch, lend speed, steal speed, and speed mind. Speed mind allows The Flash to practice an infinite amount of possibilites that result in his victor. Age manipulation is also a very powerful and dangerous ability. Another ability is Speed Force Vision which gives The Flash a vision of the future. This has been very helpful for the Flash. Source:http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Speed_Force The Flash even stated that he is much faster than Superman. A very tired and young Superman crossed from the edge of the universe to the other end in 60 days. Which is trillions times the speed of light. The Flash was even able to run on clouds and run on thin air. In his early days he ran on space itself. He was running all over the world with his fight and was able to punch him so hard it sent Revese Flash to the beginning of time. Which is 4th dimensional in itself. His instincts and reflexes allow him to react and move the fetmosecond he feels even the slightest air pressure change. He is also fast that when he was having a conservation with his therapist he was repairing a city without the therapist ever realizing that he left. Now let's talk about his durability, he resisted The Reverse Flash's life absorbing people. Bet you never knew that he even had that ability. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/6r7c13/respect_the_flash_barry_allen_new_52rebirth/ The Flash survived being launched into space by an atomic banana split. He also survived antimatter blasts from the Antimonitor, which can destroy matter on contact. He resisted it because of the Speed Force protecting him. By the way, the Flash was able to destroy The Antimonitor's armor with his bare hands. The Flash also survived kicks and punches from The Spectre. Let's talk about The Flash's ability, the Infinite Mass Punch. It has the mass of a white dwarf star. A white dwarf star has a mass of 1.4 Solar Masses. Which is greater than the combined mass of our entire Solar System which has a mass of 1.0014 Solar Masses. The Flash can keep on increasing his mass if he really needs to or wants to. Imagine The Flash using the Infinite Mass Punch while going at Trillions times the speed of light while maintaining a mass of the universe itself. The result will be deadly. The Flash once outran the gravitional of a black hole before. Not even light can escape it. But as you know, that's not all it can do ;). He even ran to the end of time until Death wasn't a concept anymore. Which is 4th dimensional speed. As you should now the Flash can perceive events at less than an attosecond. An attosecond is 0.000000000000000001 seconds. Light does not even have enough time to reach one molecule to the next in that amount of time. Think of it like this like what Tyler desrcibed it as. "If you were immortal, living in this timeframe, you would outlive the entire age of the universe in less time than it takes the average person to blink." Now let us talk more about The Flash's speed. During the Human Race The Flash was approaching Trans-Time velocity. He was even able to reach a destination shorter than a Planck Instant. As Tyler stated, speed is now broken. It isn't even speed anymore. He has reached a miminium of 23, 759,449, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000. (Tredecillion-Duodecillion-Undecillionx C) Imagine if Flash were to use that in his IMP? Like I stated before, the result would be deadly. Source:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4O-5eV4LiA Also The Flash stated that he could casually use the IMP 2,000 times in a second. Imagine if he really did try. Possibly millions of punches in a second. The Flash is a force to be rekoned with. Some other cool feats of The Flash is that he once disarmed a weapon and scanned 500,000 people in a pictosecond. He also once disarmed Mirror Master's weapon in a pictosecond. He once set all the radios on earth to a certain frequency in a septosecond. He also casually ran around the world in mlliseconds to test Blue Superman's speed. He traveled at light speed to attempt to stop a device from destroying reality. He once speed steal all of Intertia's speed, it now takes him a century just to blink. Source:https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/6j67i3/respect_wally_west_dc/ Do you still believe that Sonic even has a chance? Good debate though.