Talk:Kalos Starter Pokemon Battle Royale/@comment-12846745-20150405161400/@comment-26418719-20170517082327

I've ran so many calcs. In THIS situation (With TORRENT Greninja) it would lose. But Protean is an extremely powerful hidden ability. It is, after all, what caused Smogon to boot Greninja to Ubers in Gen 6. I've ran the calcs and done the math, and Chesnaught loses to Protean Greninja 100% of the time unless Greninja doesn't use some of its most commonly used moves. As I showed with a calc, even a competitively trained Chesnaught with an item loses to a raw Protean Greninja. The only thing that MIGHT change Chesnaught's fate vs a Protean Greninja is the presence of Delphox in the mix, but even then, Delphox would need to do over half of Greninja's HP in a single hit to even make a marginal change in the outcome of Greninja vs Chesnaught. MAYBE if we were talking about Battle Bond Greninja (AKA Ash-Greninja), but Protean trashes Chesnaught 100% of the time without any items or TMs involved.