Talk:Erza Scarlet vs Roronoa Zoro/@comment-28501958-20170508191425/@comment-31067519-20170521203343

I can't believe I forgot that! Technically, though, both Zoro and Natsu are over 224,000 mph (or Mach 291) since they both scale to or have matched lightning speed characters or attacks; Natsu dodged lightning from Laxus (it's actual lightning since Gajeel redirected it) and Zoro is faster than Kalifa, who dodged lightning from Nami.

224,000 x 3 (Dragon Force) = 672000 mph (or about Mach 875)

However, this also isn't including factors for Zoro as well. For one, there's the comparison of Zoro and Kalifa's Doriki, AKA physical power level that doesn't include Devil Fruit powers. According to Fukurou, who the extremely intelligent Rob Lucci believes to be accurate, Kalifa has a Doriki of 630. However, at the time, Zoro was about on par with Kaku, who has a Doriki of about 2200.

So, since Kaku's 2200 is about 3 times greater than Kalifa's 630, that would also put base Zoro around the same level as Dragon Force Natsu. That's not even considering how much stronger and faster he gets in Kyutoryuu mode. Yes, I'm aware that ScrewAttack stated it was an illusion, but they also stated it "somehow has physical form", meaning it is real, and that episode wasn't very accurate for either Zoro nor Erza to begin with, and something made Zoro go from about even with Kaku to then suddenly blitzing him in a few seconds.

630 (Kalifa) x 3 = 2200 (Kaku and Zoro's physical power) = 672000 mph (Zoro = Dragon Force Natsu)

So, since normal Zoro is about on par with Dragon Force Natsu, that still puts him ahead of Natsu since Zoro becomes MUCH faster with Kyutoryuu, not to mention that his normal mode has become much faster to begin with over the timeskip. Again, if I'm wrong, someone needs to politely say so.