Talk:Darth Vader vs. Arturia Pendragon/Saber/@comment-3463132-20150812034807/@comment-3463132-20150813032604

I actually have very little interest in Fate/stay as a whole, I find the universe to be extremely irritating in a massive headache- but that doesn't mean I want Saber to lose a match I think she should win. Likewise I'm not jaded against Vader- I wanted him to kill Doom hardcore, but I don't want him to have a win he doesn't deserve.

The Force is Psychic and not Magic- why? Just because it depends on the strength of will in no way makes it psychic since magic can do all of the same things like telekinesis, mind control, and so on. If you want to say it's not magic I expect a good reason for it.

Why is mana constantly being brought up? Even without a Master OR the Grail Servants are capable of existing and fighting for several days- she's not going to run out in a relative few minutes of battle just because Shiro isn't here. She should have more than enough energy for one battle- assuming you start her with a "full tank" to make an analogy. And if Shiro didn't summon her to give her mana, why would her stats be lower? This seems like a case of trying to have the cake and eat it too- if Shiro summoned her she should get mana- if Shiro did not she should get her higher stats.

And what is this about Vader being able to block her attacks due to "Lightsaber forms"? Those are styles of combat, if Vader has not displayed enough physical strength to block her attacks then it doesn't matter which form he uses- this applies to speed as well. Saber fights quickly enough that her swinging near objects destroys them; Vader has not demonstrated this level of speed- especially not in his slower cyborg body. That same body makes him stronger but not nearly to the level Saber is.