Talk:Giorno Giovanna VS Misogi Kumagawa/@comment-39224305-20190422124446

Lore wise I agree that Giovani would win. Probably 10 million out of 10 million fights. However, not because of abilities or skill difference that Giovani or Kumagawa has but the battle codes that each of them follows. Kumagawa is a born loser but he wants to win fairly. As a result, he has never and probably will never use all-ficton to its maximum potential, he is a born loser that fights even if all he had were jokers. Giovani on the other hand had more than his fair share of life and death battles. Still he does those battles with honor and pride, but will still use every single trick clean or dirty to win as a result. And so, Giovani would beat the shit out of Kumagawa no matter what lore wise scenario it will be as Kumagawa will try and aim for a fair fight while Giovani would kill Kumagawa if he had the chance, not to mention if Giovani knew what kind of power Kumagawa has.

On pure paper fair fight with no information of the other's abilities however. Kumagawa would win 10 million out of 10 million battles. Why? Simple, Kumagawa will always have the initiative of the fight. Kumagawa has no pressecne as he erased it at one point during the series and will never get it back. The Medaka Box series describe "No Pressence" (as someone else other than Kumagawa has it) the unconcious denial of excistance and rememberance. You will not see, hear,, sense, remember, or know the person unless said person allows it (focusing incredibly hard on said person does work but it means you have to know the person before hand). In addition to that, Kumagawa's All Fiction has infinite range, which means Kumagawa can erase Giovani or his mind or his memories on a moment notice. Now the fandom says that the trump card of Giovani is his infinte speed which makes him have infinte time to react and defeat Kumagawa. However, the question is "with infinite speed can you react to something you believe to not exist and cannot sense?" The answer is yes but not quite. Giovani has to destory in said inifnite time all things that exist and might exist. But here comes the final trope, unless All Fiction is directly stopped by Giovani, Kumagawa will revive himself. When everything that exist is eradicated by Giovani and he is finally finished (in his point of view). Kumagawa has a free shot to make Giovani and or his stand a Ficiton.

(If Giovani decides to destory every single thing in the nano seconds repeatedly forever and ever. Its a draw. However, there is no scenario on paper where Kumagawa would lose.)

