Talk:Goku vs Saitama/@comment-31550106-20170330194427/@comment-27397663-20170830091610

one thing is for certain - DB Super has debunked itself and DBZ many times.

you may take some feats from some early or random points and scale those feats up by millions of times bcs they must be that much more powerful by then. but that could only work if there series were 100% consistent, which is pretty much impossible for any anime or comics etc... Akira had'nt planned the whole story from the get go, he was making it up as he went on.

its better to use the certain limits at certain points without the scaling those feats xquadrillion after.

frieza vs trunks - frieza shouted how he was going to blow up the planet with his death ball. trunks caught it, before it could penetrate into the planet's core (the method frieza destroys planets), but frieza detonated it. it certainly didnt blow up the planet, tho it left a big crater. I dont think the But frieza didnt want to blow up the planet applies here.

Later, Perfect cell was shitting bricks at full power vegeta over destroying the earth, just as he was shitting bricks against full power goku kamehame for the same reason. and just as everybody else were shitting bricks over cell destroying the earth. Also, cell was shitting bricks about a bomb of similar power to that of vegeta's gallick gun during saiyan saga. This debunks any casual planet busting that was before, just like how goku's speed on the snakeway debunks any speed feats that happened before, bcs goku was giving his all (base).

later, goku regarded kid buu's strongest attack as it has the power to destroy the earth 10 times and they knew that would be certain death for everyone. So, nobody is one-shotting solar systems up to DB Super.

in DB Super, they hyped up the godly ki, but then it all got debunked, since it turns out that anyone can damage them anyway. plus, stupid shit happened like Roshi, with a bit of training reached base goku's level. Goku and beerus shook the universe, which is surprisingly millions of times smaller than our universe. But SSGSS makes goku 50 times stronger than SSJG - i'd like to believe that, but DB Super debunked that very heavily. First of all, if that is the case then beerus would be stomped by goku by now and Kale of all people, would be about 50 times stronger than beerus...

And as for speed, they just went FTL with their stronger forms, which debunks most if not all previous FTL's.

That is my take/opinion on the matter and if possible i would like not to argue further on these, since i've already seen possibly all the points other people could make and thats exactly what made me stand by my words.

