Thread:Pikazilla/@comment-26221704-20170714220815/@comment-29403514-20170715151906

Pikazilla wrote: So I thought this over and I noticed that much of the arguments against Missigno. don't hold up or aren't being enforced.

The who 'no feats or history' argument, again, makes no sense since I prove Missingno. can and does have a background. However, again, plenty of characters (especially pokemon and other minor videogame characters) do not have backgrounds and yet are allowed.

The Mary Sue argument: makes NO sense.

Goombas, Doomsday, Cthulu; they are just mindless or insane monsters. Nothing more. I checked, they all failed the Mary Sue test. Yes, I had to test Doomsday's romance and sexlife on that springhole link, yuck. Doomsday scored a 52 on the test: yet he's one of the most popular characters on this wiki.

Now I want to compare Missingno. with the other 'Glitch Characters'.

Missingno. does have combative abilities and so can be considered a combative. His stats confirm this, and you can literally fight him like any other pokemon. This is also the case with Omega-Flowey from Undertale and Giygas from Earthbound: despite glitching the game he is a combative that you can fight.

The Lavendar Town Ghosts don't count unless their true forms are scanned. Otherwise it's impossible to fight them, so I agree that they should not be on this wiki. https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ghost_(literal)

Meat from Mortal Kombat (before being his own character) was just a cosmetic skin, so again he doesn't count.

Gaster, unlike Missingno., has no combative abilities. So I agree; Gaster should not have a page.

So I would recommend that there be a rule saying 'a character that exists only as a skin or cannot fight cannot have a page'. However Missingno. is still its own character.

1-Missingno. does fail the Mary Sue test; but so does many many other characters that are allowed on this wiki.

2-Missingno. is not an official character; but so are OCs and they are allowed.

3-Missingno. is a glitch; but so are Omega-Flowey and Giygas.

4-Missingno. does have a history and feats, again I don't know why other people are denying it, but characters without backstories or feats are visible throughout this wiki. If you absolutely absolutely insist that this is not the case; then use this as a backstory. Again; OCs are allowed so this should be allowed as well because even though it's not official, so are OCs.  Except they are applicable due to the simple fact that Missingno. is an accidental glitch that only exists because a flaw in the game's coding. That's like saying had the Creeper not been giving its ability to explode when it was just a bug in programming that showed it instead of the pig that it would be applicable for feats.

Except Pokemon do have a background which is that they are evolved lifeforms with special abilities, dead humans, etc. Missingno. has no canonocity to it whether it be feats or background because it simply doesn't exist and shouldn't have. All you can say is that it's a glitch from Pokemon Red & Blue and that's it.

Don't know where anyone got the Mary Sue argument, but Missingno. is literally just a rectangle with another smaller and less wide rectangle on top of it. We're allowing shapes to be quantifiable characters now that don't even exist?

Except those chaaracters are from actual media and exist at least non-canonically or canonically in said verses. Missingno. exists in no type of Pokemon canon. Hell, he's just a featless Creepypasta from what you made him out in chat making him not viable for a page. You can't be a Creepypasta and a Pokemon both at once (not that he is a real Pokemon).

But you have no proof that he did it. You can easily justify an argument that the game itself just shut down. Missingno. has never had any feats and stats are just game mechanics in the end of things. DB hasn't used stats since its early day and that's it which is why Mewtwo VS Shadow didn't heavily focus on them. Your "feat" for him is just an assumption. Assumptions =/= Canon.

Missingno. might as well just be like the ghosts also. Missingno. literally takes the form of glitch Pokemon that also don't exist. Missingno. is literally just scrap data in the game that was meant to be other Pokemon. Are you saying that Bad Egg, ???, Glitch Celebi, etc. should all exist now?

Being a cosmetic skin still means utter horse shit. You could make the same argument for Luigi based on that logic because his first appearance was just him being a pallete swap of Mario. Luigi got used in a DB however and is his own character now. Meat is allowed because of having an actual character like in the case of Luigi. Try again.

Except you could make the argument Gaster has feats which are that he is part of the space-time of multiple realities after being shattered across space and time which would make him Multi-Universal and Omnipresent. Why he doesn't have a page you may ask? Because he isn't part of any canon to the game as he's just scrap material at best.

Again, Missingno. is not its own entity regardless because it only exists because of programming flaws and it literally takes the form of Pokemon that have been denied as not canon still. You really don't understand this do you?

Let me just highlight WHY Missingno. isn't allowed. We've already established that Game Freak has stated their iron fist that Missingno. isn't considered part of any canon in Pokemon meaning you can't use the Pokemon verse as a reason to justify why Missingno. should have a page. You tried to make the Creepypasta argument in chat earlier, but Missingno. again has no feats. Let me show you that in the rules... '''featless Creepypastas aren't allowed. '''And like that, your hopes of ever seeing that page are gone.