Talk:Shadow the Hedgehog vs Waluigi/@comment-35910999-20180702221407

So, I understand that most people within the common party believe Waluigi would lose to Shadow, however we've seen multiple overpowered feats from Waluigi.

So, in the game "Super Mario: A blast from the past" (It's from a very rare nintendo game that wasn't advertised much), it was revealed that there was an artifact known as the "Gem Warlock" that, once weilded, would act as a way to weild the power of the supreme being of the verse, The Gentle Pull. In the ending of that game, Waluigi gains full mastery of the "Gem Warlock" and as such weilds the power of The Gentle Pull. In the follow up game: "Super Mario: It all comes together", The Gentle Pull binds all Mario canons together (I.E different versions of Mario) to help defeat Waluigi with this new power. This is where Waluigi's true power is shown.

He was capable of matching all of the canon Mario's abilities (Meaning he has the abilities of every single Mario character) meaning he has these abilities: Superhuman strength, speed, agility, reflexes and durability, Enhanced Unarmed Combat, Dimensional Storage, Pyrokinesis, Minor Electrokinesis and Aerokinesis, Energy Manipulation, Danger Sensing (His nose can apparently smell trouble), Longevity (In the Super Mario Galaxy games, Mario has witnessed two Star Festivals, which take place once every 100 years. Comparable to Peach and Bowser, who would live on for 10,000 more years after Bowser created his own universe), Shapeshifting (Has transformed into others before), Flight (Achieved flight once), Plot Manipulation (Broke manga panels with his presence), Telekinesis (Can change the direction of Megavitamins mid-flight), Plant Growth Acceleration (Has invented a specific Megavitamin to accelerate plant growth), Resistance to Gravity Manipulation (Can walk perfectly fine on hundreds of different sized planets in different galaxies across different universes and can even walk near black holes), Resistance to Radiation Manipulation (Immune to Hawking Radiation), Resistance to Petrification (Can break free from being turned to stone), Resistance to Existence Erasure (Unaffected by Bowser's wish on the Dream Stone to make him vanish from existence), Resistance to Plot Manipulation (After Bowser beat the manga kamen and changed the script, the kamen said Mario would win anyways because he always wins. Sure enough, Mario won), Resistance to Meta Wish Granting (Survived Bowser's wish on the Star Rod to destroy him), Resistance to Matter Manipulation (Atomic; can be stripped down to clumps of pixels and then reform completely unharmed), Resistance to Evolution Manipulation (When shot by Bowser's Devolution Gun in Kun, he resisted it, and instead of devolving to a monkey like Luigi did, he gained his Tanooki Mario power-up), Resistance to Fate Manipulation (The Light Prognosticus foretold that the four Heroes of Light would gather together and use the Pure Hearts to defeat The Dark One. The Dark Prognosticus foretold that the hero of prophecy and all others would be stopped by the Green One joining The Dark One, cementing the end of all worlds. These imbalances messed with the wheels of destiny. Everything they wrote became truth; it was fate itself bringing about the actions. But at the end, breaking the Light Prognosticus, Luigi joined Dimentio--The Dark One--and began down the path that the Dark Prognosticus created. The Heroes of Light, however, break the Dark Prognosticus and win anyways. Tippi describes this entire phenomena as "fate," rather cementing the fact that the two Prognosticuses played with fate itself. And in the end, the Heroes of Light and The Dark One all broke both Prognosticuses, giving them a resistance to fate manipulation), Enhanced Swordsmanship (Is greatly skilled in swordplay and fencing), Enhanced Marksmanship (Has held real guns before and has pulled off impressive feats with them), 4th Wall Awareness (Displayed both in-games and in Super Mario-Kun), Resurrection (Resurrection as Undead; it took awhile, but in Super Mario-Kun, Mario was killed, traversed through hell, and came back to life), Pain Affinity, Regeneration (High-Mid; survived being blown to pieces like a balloon), Duplication (Can sacrifice extra lives for a clone of himself), Resistance to Primordial Force Manipulation (The Player can't affect him at all), Resistance to Universal Manipulation (Can break free from The Player's grip, which reigns over everything else in the game), Proficiency w/ Hammers, Soul Destruction and Mutilation (Has greatly damaged Boos and other ghosts, and has even destroyed Cackletta's Soul), Dimensional Manipulation, Space and Time Manipulation/Time Travel, and Brotherly Telepathy w/ Luigi. Music Manipulation (Anyone who had possession of or was in the same vicinity of a Music Key had the power of music transmitted into their souls, and can tap into its power for a variety of abilities as long as they're skilled enough, including all of the following powers after this one), Mind Control (Waluigi was going to use it to hypnotize anyone who didn't have the same dancing abilities as him), Chaos Inducement (The Music Keys could rain chaos and discord down, destroying everything and everyone), Broadway Force (The second Mario started dancing, things like snowmen, fire itself, plates, and flaming wooden logs started dancing with him), Pyrokinesis (Mario and Luigi's dancing styles are "hot," and can melt things like giant Freezies by generating and shooting fire pretty easily), Telekinesis (Could sail a boat across a river), Summoning (Summoned a rocket from nowhere to attack Bowser), Statistics Amplification (Using the power of dancing, he could increase his speed to catch up to a roller-coaster), Explosion Manipulation (Caused Koopas to explode into music notes), Power Nullification (The Dance Meter essentially decides whose abilities are more effective, and the abilities of the losing dancer are entirely nullified), Matter Manipulation (Molecular; Changed the makeup of a hotel from being a normal building to being a corkscrew, then changed it back), Size Manipulation (Caused a mushroom to spontaneously grow out of the ground), Weather Manipulation (Things like twisters, avalanches, snowstorms and whirlpools were caused by the Keys, as evidenced here), Empathic Manipulation (Forced Bowser to feel happiness. Dancing caused Boos to warm up to Mario), Healing (Bowser was going to use the Keys to fix his tone deafness), Death Inducement (Bowser's use of the Keys turned the landscape into this...), Life Inducement (Before Mario turned it back into this. To put into perspective of how impressive this is, Bowser blocked out the Sun with thick clouds, turned water into lava, killed all plant life, turned hills into volcanoes, etc. Mario changed it all back), and Soul Manipulation (Music exists inside one's soul, which can force them to do things. By coming into contact with the Music Keys, music is implanted into anyone's soul, which could be used against them) via dancing and the Music Keys. Healing and Stamina Restoration via Refresh, Sleep Inducement via Lullaby, The ability to shower foes in stars via Star Storm, The ability to lower the Attack Potency of foes via Chill Out, Healing via Smooch, Time Stop via Time Out, Transmutation into stars via Up & Away, and Energy Manipulation via Star Beam & Peach Beam. Attack Reflection w/ Super Sheet & Hammer, Earthquake Generation w/ Earth Tremor, Time Stop w/ Clock Out, Increased stats w/ Power Lift, Reality Warping w/ and w/o Art Attack, Healing & Stamina Restoration w/ Sweet Feast, Pure Hearts and Max Candy, One Hit Kill w/ Showstopper, Supernova Generation w/ Supernova, Dimensional Travel, Immortality (Type 5; after the destruction of the entire multiverse, including heaven and hell--the afterlives--Mario would live, which would mean he'd be completely incapable of dying with no hell to contain him. Furthermore, through comparison to the Chaos Heart wielders, he's unable to be touched by Queen Jaydes, who has power over the concepts of life and death themselves. In the end, Mario seems entirely deathless), Resistance to Life and Death Concept Manipulation, Time Paradoxal Resistance (It protects its user from the destruction The Void causes, which would erase the user's past) and Absolute Restoration w/ the Pure Hearts, Wish Granting w/ Royal Stickers and Lost Mushroom, Healing w/ Mushroom, Enhanced Pyrokinesis w/ Fire Flower, Flight w/ Feather, Wing Cap, Red Star, White Tanooki and Tanooki Leaf, Cyrokinesis w/ Ice Flower and Penguin Suit, Duplication w/ Double Cherry and Pal Pill, Invulnerability and Immortality Types 2 and 7 Negation w/ Starman (Can get by a Shy-Guy's zombie immortality and kill them permanently, and get by a Buzzy Beetle's resilience immortality and kill them permanently, too), Rainbow Star, Metal Cap, Mega Mushroom, Mega Star and White Tanooki, Instinctive Reaction (Beat Luigi up, dodged his fireballs, and cooked a sweet potato all while asleep) w/ Super Bell, Increased durability w/ Life Mushroom, Ghost Physiology w/ Boo Mushroom, Terrakinesis w/ Rock Mushroom, Cloud Manipulation w/ Cloud Flower, Intangibility w/ Vanish Cap, Size Manipulation w/ Mini and Mega Mushrooms and Mega Star, Increased speed w/ Mini and Mega Mushrooms, Starman, Rainbow Star and Mega Star, Nigh-Invulnerability and Transmutation w/ Gold Fire Flower, Metal Manipulation w/ Metal Cap, Increased strength w/ Metal Cap, Mega Mushroom, Starman, Rainbow Star and Mega Star, Soul Sealing and Soul Unsealing w/ the Power Stars, Invisibility w/ Invisibility Hat, Meta Wish Granting (The omniscient narrator tells us it can grant all wishes, and even the Star Spirits say the same thing), Plot Manipulation (Bowser utilized it to "change the story" in its entirety, so logically, other users of the Star Rod should be able to make use of the power, too), Power Bestowal and Nigh-Complete Arsenal w/ Star Rod (Paper Mario), Evolution Manipulation w/ the Devolution Gun, Meta Possession and Flight w/ Cappy, etc. Resistance to Elemental Manipulation, Fear Manipulation, Poison Manipulation, Sleep Manipulation, Instant Death Attacks and Power Nullification w/ the Super Suit. Resistance to Elemental Manipulation, Resistance to Confusion Inducement, Resistance to Poison Manipulation, Statistics Amplification, Probability Manipulation, Sound Manipulation, Durability Negation, Life-Force Absorption, Confusion Inducement, Healing, Luck, Scanning, Pain Manipulation, Earthquake Generation, Tornado Creation, Size Manipulation, Sleep Inducement, and Electrokinesis w/ Badges. Matter Manipulation (Subatomic; Particular), Stat Buffing/Debuffing, Spring Form, Vampire Mode, Electrokinetic Physiology, Electrokinesis, Spherical Form, Tornado Form, Shapeshifting, Gold Coin Creation, Duplication, Stone Mimicry, Invulnerability and Fire Aura w/ Candies. Plot Manipulation and is 1,000x stronger than base form as Shiny Paper Mario

Which gives him certaintly far more haxes than Shadow will ever have. Furthermore, it's revealed in the game (Perhaps a retcon) that the "Gem Warlock" doesn't actually grant you the power of the gentle pull, instead it just focuses on your potential power, which is revealed when Bowser grabbed hold of the "Gem Warlock" and tried to use it to erase Waluigi, but nothing happened. As such, the "Gem Warlock" just activated Waluigi's potential power. After realizing this, he throws away the "Gem Warlock" and flicks his fingers, BFRing all of Waluigi's foes except the Mario and Luigi introduced within the two games. Afterwards, he immediately zaps the two into unconsciousness and plans to become the new god by defeating The Gentle Pull. This is when The Gentle Pull immediately strikes him down and removes all of his powers, which ends the games.

So, how powerful is Walugi (Keep in mind that Waluigi does scale to what he did while in possesion of The Gem Warlock as shwon above)? Well, it's stated by the Gentle Pull that if Walugi gained access to "The Gem Warlock", then everything will be erased. This would thus include realms like the dream depot in which universes are dreams. Thus, it can be concluded that Waluigi is casually multiversal bare minimum. However, considering the fact that it says "everything" this would likely include all dimensions, which include "String Theory Soup", keep in mind that the descriptions implies that it is actually referring to String Theory, rather than it just being a title. So, if he truly means "everything", then as such Waluigi should be ranked as High Complex Multiverse Level. Furthermore, based on the fact that if not stopped by the Gentle Pull, he would've reached on the same level as him (Who, for a reminder, is the supreme being), then he should logically be above Super Dimentio who's implied to be beyond the reaches of 11'th dimensional beings and is thus a 12'th dimensional being, Waluigi scales to this and therefore he would be ranked 12D. https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fbbpb9up.jpg&redir_token=0sT5NpP9PVQ34djRwfCikT01Yvp8MTUzMDY1NTc5OEAxNTMwNTY5Mzk4&event=comments

This refers to "The Overthere" as a higher realm of existence, keep in mind that the regular Marioverse is 11D, so this place would be 12D and the void was going to erase that which would be 12D and Super Dimentio would be 13D thus and Waluigi would scale via the reasons above.

Conclusion: While I understand that pre-Blast from the past and It All Comes to Together Walugi would lose to Shadow without a doubt, the new information given by these new games provides us with the explination that Waluigi is at minimum a multiversal powerhouse with a ton of haxes that Shadow just can't compete with. And at his best, Walugi is a 13D being with tons of haxes. So, Waluigi would realistically roflstomp shadow, no contest.