Talk:Kylo Ren VS Cinder Fall/@comment-27190018-20160408234640/@comment-27150398-20160409070702

That she had far more skill using punches and kicks into her attacks overall and was the better swordsman Ren is ok but considering how he lost to Rey who had no exprience even using a lightsaber before and struggled to keep up with her that makes Cinder a better fighter overall as she can easily match Ruby and defeat her without much of a problem

Cinder's arrows were stopped by Ren at some points during the fight but since Cinder was hammering him with attacks he wasn't able to block the arrows as he would need concentration to pull that off not something he could do if Cinder was attacking him

And during his fight with Rey we see how bad his defensive skills are by observing that while Ren was hammering her with blows he wasn't able to block many counter attacks and was wounded nearly every time she attacked him

And yes While Ren was mentally unstable at the time due to a variety of things he still just Dosen't have the swordsmanship of Darth Vader or other Jedi his training is incomplete so he is not at his full potential Cinder is really quick and can escape Ren's attacks she the explanation for more details on this matter

Ren just isn't going to able to take Cinder at this point in time and yes this outcome may change depending on Ren's skills in the Next two Movies but the victory for now goes to Cinder