Talk:Red & Pikachu vs. Tai & Agumon/@comment-5429941-20160120234102/@comment-28581924-20160829061754

Extreme speed is a charging attack like take down, so you are going to have trouble if the opponent moves to much.

Not to mention Renamon can still either move faster than the human eye can see, and or teleport, so Renamon's still more agile than Lucario.