Talk:Kalos Starter Pokemon Battle Royale/@comment-12846745-20150405161400/@comment-26418719-20160811044405

@ThunderBeam707 ...My calculations are 'biased'? Are you kidding me? I used the same conditions for both Greninja and Chesnaught: 31 in all IVs (Which are natural to a Pokemon), 0 EVs, and Neutral Natures for both, no items at all. NOT Competitive sets. This assuming the exact same conditions as the death battle above, except WITH their hidden abilities.

HERE is what would happen if you placed a competitive Greninja against a competitive Chesnaught:

252 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Chesnaught: 413-486 (108.6 - 127.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

My calculations are not 'biased'. I treated both Greninja and Chesnaught the same way: No items, No EVs, maxed IVs, Natural Movesets only, just with their hidden abilities. Lo and behold, Greninja comes out on top.

Oh, and a Choice Scarf wouldn't work either! If you pit a Max Speed Greninja against a Max Speed Choice Scarfed Chesnaught, Greninja would still outspeed regardless of item (Chesnaught's Max Speed [that being beneficial nature, max evs and ivs] is 249. Give it a choice scarf and that is increased by 1.5 times, coming out at 373 (rounded down). Greninja's max speed [same conditions as Chesnaught] is 377, four higher. Thus, Max Speed Greninja Always outspeeds Chesnaught, Choice Scarf be damned.).