Talk:Bill Cipher/@comment-27108393-20170426112923/@comment-33162239-20170927003110

first off, bill > illuminati

bill is complex multiversal+ 7D - 11D. illuminati is planetary and 3D. that makes bill stronger

second off, bill didn't lose to asriel on this wiki

he did on CFC because AR didn't do enough research, because if he did more, he would say bill would win

i am not sure about how he lost to beerus, but if bill were to fight beerus, bill wins.