Talk:Ness VS Frisk/@comment-28493289-20160518202057/@comment-27448264-20160519001049

It's unwise to take Flowey's stats at face value. He's clearly able to fuck with the game medium/fourth wall to an extent, most prominent in 9999 LV, and the "My (Flowey, first person, controlling the game) World" on the save file.

And let's talk about the 9999 LV. Yeah, no, that's horseshit, even for Flowey. LV is measured in how willing you are to kill. Chara, as evidenced by the end of the Genocide run, is infinitely more sadistic than Flowey, literally ''scaring the emotion back into him. ''There's no way Flowey can match Chara's sheer hatred for everything (Flowey still wanted to pal up with Chara, and is implied to have done a Pacifist run before getting bored.) It was probably just to scare the shit out of Frisk than anything.

Photoshop Flowey's stats, as lifted from the coding, from the wiki...

6000 HP (good, but far from godlike when you look at lategame bosses.)

19 ATK (great, but again, not a far step away from most bosses, with Asgore's code ATK being 10. I don't know what kind of power "godlike" constitutes but it's worth way more than an Asgore and 9/10ths.)

Also, Photoshop Flowey doesn't destroy the world. It's pretty clear it's a pocket dimension ("My World" on the save file) and the fact that you still get a phone call from the alive-and-well Underground afterwards.