Talk:Jiren vs Superman/@comment-1759346-20190407010341

However, Jiren was stated by Supreme Kai to be more powerful than anyone he and the Universe 7 warriors have ever faced, which should make him more powerful than Infinite Zamasu, which also confirmed that Jiren is Beyond Multi-Universal and fourth dimensional I wish people would just stop with Dragonball Super vs DC Comics. The same arguments and the same, awful logic get regurgitated. The same problems come up:
 * let's figure out which Superman would be "fair" to use for a fight and by "fair" I mean which one could I reasonably argue would lose to [insert the character I would like to win here]
 * The Tournament of Power is an inconsistent mess of fight scenes where Goku and Vegeta only seem to run out of power when the plot deems it necessary - it is difficult to take "Jiren can break the universe" seriously when Vegeta can blow himself up to stop Toppo and lose all of his power then immediately power back up to Super Saiyan Blue, and when Android 18 can deflect a Super Saiyan Blue Kamehameha
 * There is much debate to be had on the "void" being "infinite" but I'm far from convinced that it actually was; it's like hyperbole doesn't exist as far as vindicating arguments for the strength of Dragonball Super characters are concerned
 * Same deal with Zamasu and his "infinite-infiniteness"
 * Same deal with "Goku almost broke the universe in an extremely specific circumstance that never came up again, but hey, Elder Kai confirmed it so CLEARLY everyone who can match or beat Goku can do that too."
 * Jiren broke Hit's time stop even though the manga makes it clear that Hit's time stop fails against weaker opponents, and the anime makes it clear that Hit was running out of juice - but who cares, Jiren is stronger than time!