Thread:Strunton/@comment-27464497-20151227035325

Here it is.

 Well... This fight is all kinds of wrong. So lets rip it apart, and the “defense” ParaGoomba348 made while I’m at it.

'  Warning Long Comment.  '

 This comment is broken into parts; Description, Danny Phantom Analysis, Ben Tennyson Analysis, Conclusion (because the fight isn’t worth mentioning), ParaGoomba348’s defense, and my final thoughts wrapping up my points and explaining why a End Of Series Ben Tennyson stomps a End Of Series Danny Phantom just about every time.

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Description 

'Two popular superheros with alternate forms collide! Who will stand out on top? '

 This comparison is so broad, it could apply to a ton of characters. Beast Boy, Changeling, Sonic The Hedgehog, Goku, Spider-Man, Superman, The Hulk, Captain America, and Shazam are all characters that fight with “alternate forms” and are (to at least some extent) considered to be heroes in their respective Universes. The only thing Ben Tennyson and Danny Fenton/Phantom really have in common is that they both use their powers to help people. But even that is incredibly broad and could apply to just about every character I previously mentioned and a million more. But enough about the super broad similarities, let’s jump into the analysis.

 And you misspelled superheroes as “superheros” btw.

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Danny Phantom Analysis 

  To be honest, I don’t have too much to say here, most of my complaints are with Ben Tennyson’s Analysis and the Conclusion. But there are some things here I want to address.

  ' His speed when flying has been estimated at around Mach 23, and his reaction time is probably the same, since he can catch arrows and dodge cannonballs. '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  Kirby Kid? Is that you? No? He is the only person I’ve seen argue a Mach 23 Danny Phantom. Looking at his blog, He says that he got that number from an article giving random Space Shuttle facts. The episode where this supposed Mach 23 speed feat came from is from the Danny Phantom 2 episode special,  Reality Trip .

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">https://web.archive.org/web/20151006055728/http://www.space.com/12127-8-surprising-space-shuttle-facts.html<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> It claims that Space Shuttles,  while in orbit around the Earth  ,   travel at about 17,500 miles (28,000 kilometers) per hour. This number doesn’t (and couldn’t) apply to Danny because the Space Shuttle Danny fought never even left Earth’s lower atmosphere. There isn’t any evidence that definitively proves the Space Shuttle was flying at those speeds. As those numbers are for Space Shuttles that are currently in Earth’s orbit. Not shuttles that were flying over a space station and were clearly visible by unnamed tourists, Sam, and Tucker the entire time.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  Another speed feat I need to address is Danny leaving Earth’s atmosphere with the help of the X23 Booster Rocket in the episode Flirting With Disaster. It was stated by Tucker that the X23 Booster Rocket is capable of transporting a person into space in less than 2 minutes. Danny uses it later in the episode to go into space to stop Technus (who controlled a satellite at the time). This isn’t a speed feat from Danny because Danny needed to steal the Booster Rocket from Valerie’s house to get there in time. (And he needed a helmet because he can’t breathe in space.) Some people also like to argue that Danny could at least react at those speeds even though he didn’t react to anything. He just flew straight upwards and the lasers Valerie was firing at him were flying right past him. Danny isn’t actually dodging anything.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">'<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">But by far his best ability is the Ghostly Wail. This attack has him scream at the top of his lungs, and he sends out ultrasonic ectoplasmic energy all around, capable of one-shotting enemies like HIS FUTURE SELF- and can LEVEL A BUILDING IN MOMENTS! '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  Danny didn’t “one-shot” Dan Phantom (Danny’s evil alternate future self). He survived 2 Ghostly Wails at a close distance and was still able to fight. Dan was defeated by being captured in the Fenton Thermos, and in his own words he said he was “too weak to escape.”

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">http://imgur.com/a/tgPZX   ( Source: Danny Phantom: The Ultimate Enemy) 

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> You are either

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> 1.) Overestimating Danny’s abilities.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> 2.) Don’t know what “one-shotted” means.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">   It should also be worth noting that Danny defeated Dan because he took advantage of his prep time and used special Ghost Hunting Equipment against Dan like punching him with the Ghost Gauntlets and putting the Fenton Specter Deflector around his waist. On top of that, the Specter Deflector damages and weakens ghosts that are around and/or wearing it.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> I’m not saying that Danny defeating Dan isn’t impressive, but he needed to take advantage of his prep time to get some ghost hunting gear to help him out. A then weakened Dan was then defeated by being captured in the Fenton Thermos. (Even saying out loud that he was too weak to escape it at the moment.) Dan wasn’t “one-shotted” by Danny under any stretch of the imagination.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  Also, the Ghostly Wail didn’t destroy the building. If you pay attention to the episode (or the gif I just linked you), it just sent Dan through the front of it and also happened to throw a truck into the building as well. The truck was the thing that destroyed the building, not the Ghostly Wail itself, or Dan being thrown into it.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">'<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">And while the first time he used it he was so tired he reverted back to his human form, he's gotten enough practice in that he can use it three times in a row without being fazed. '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  I suspected you were overestimating Danny’s abilities before, but this statement pretty much proves it. The only episode where Danny uses the Ghostly Wail three times in one fight is  The Fright Before Christmas . Also, the Ghostly Wail was used in quick succession, not multiple times over a prolonged fight, and immediately afterwards, Danny was forcefully reverted to his human form and he was exhausted.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">http://imgur.com/PSCklPl<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">    (Source: Danny Phantom: The Fright Before Christmas)  

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  Again, I have to point this out. You are either:

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  1.) Making these fights off of vague memories of various episodes you’ve seen several years ago. (Sure seems like it when you own sources prove you wrong.)

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  2.) You HAVE seen the episodes, and you are deliberately overestimating Danny’s abilities and hoping that no one calls you out on it. (Lying to your readers)

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> So which is it?

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> While we’re talking about the Ghostly Wail, I should point out that while in the Ghost Zone that Danny’s powers are strengthened, or they takes less energy to use. As the first time Danny uses the Ghostly Wail, he is in the Ghost Zone and only partially reverts back to his human form after using it once. However, later in that same episode, Danny using the Ghostly Wail against Dan twice depowered him completely and was unable to turn into his ghost form for a short time afterwards. This was all shown in the episode The Ultimate Enemy.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> The Ghostly Wail is used (by Danny) in either quick succession like his fight with Dan, or as one powerful last resort type attack like against Vlad in the episode Kindred Spirits or againist the Sphinx in the episode King Tuck. It's something that Danny would only use if he needed to and not something he will casually throw around. Which makes sense because it weakens him afterwards.

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Ben Tennyson’s Analysis 

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">   This is where the bulk of my criticisms are.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  ' Disclaimer:    ' This is in no way a complete list of these alien’s abilities. These are just some powers and abilities of the select few aliens you mentioned that I feel have been ignored and/or downplayed in your analysis. ''

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  ' Throughout the cartoon, he's shown to use over 70 different aliens! And while it would be amazing to analyze them all, we're limiting him to 10, which we chose randomly. '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> This is one of the most annoying parts about this. Ben's move set gets watered down and his abilities get nerfed because the person "researching" him doesn't want to properly analyze all of his powers. Usually because it would be "too much work" and/or it would "take too much time". It's just lazy. If someone tried that with  any other  character (limited them by only giving them a fraction of their powers chosen at random) they would get called out for it, and rightfully so. You can't make an analysis of a character that only goes over a  literal   fraction  of their powers, and call it a day. It's lazy, and actually helps the spread of misinformation, as people read these things, and assume that it is pretty much everything the character can do. When it's actually filled with watered down descriptions, most of the time contains a fraction of the characters abilities, and often times ignore a plethora of other abilities and feats. All while Ben’s opponent is usually put at their strongest with no restrictions on any of their powers. It’s hypocritical, unfair to Ben, and it needs to stop. It’s also very annoying.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">'<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">XLR8 is definitely Ben's fastest form. He somehow manipulates friction with his wheels, and can go from zero to 500mph in just TWO SECONDS. However, he is completely helpless on low-friction surfaces like water. '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> Ah, yes. The 500mph XLR8 meme. [http://ben10.wikia.com/wiki/XLR8#Powers_and_Abilities <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">It’s like you copy-pasted that statement from the wiki and never gave it a second thought. ]

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">XLR8 has many feats showing that he is significantly faster than 500 mph. The most noteworthy ones are:  [http://imgur.com/a/rDBsZ <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Running on water and creating a water tornado in the episode The Krakken. <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">  ]<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">  [http://imgur.com/a/G02Sq <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Creating a vortex in a attempt to take away Fistina’s air and make her lose consciousness. But instead rips her head off of her body in the episode Rules of Engagement. <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">  ]<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">  [http://imgur.com/a/kDhge <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">XLR8 Saving People From Lightning Strikes Created By S.A.M. (A Weather Machine) in the episode Monster Weather. ]<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">  [http://imgur.com/y0jz4Rm <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Running So Fast XLR8 Creates A Vortex Powerful Enough To Trip A To'kustar (Way Big's Species) in the episode The Frogs of War: Part 2. ]<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman"; color:#3A3A3A;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in; padding:0in">

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">[https://gfycat.com/SevereShowyGoral <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Moves a baseball faster than anyone in the stadium could notice. ]<span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">  [https://gfycat.com/QueasyThinDorado <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Does it a second time for a home run. <span style="font-family: Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in;text-decoration:none;text-underline: none">  ]<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">  [https://gfycat.com/NewSphericalGordonsetter <span style="font-family: Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Does it again. <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">  ]<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">  [https://gfycat.com/SourYellowishDowitcher <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Ties JT's shoes together so he trips as he swings his bat. ]<span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">  [https://gfycat.com/HandySorrowfulCivet <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Throws the baseball away from the third baseman. ]<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">  [https://gfycat.com/BigheartedWhirlwindBedlingtonterrier <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">  <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Messes with the outfielder all shown in the episode The Unnaturals. ]<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> As I just showed you, XLR8 has no problem running on water and it isn't a weakness for him. [https://gfycat.com/WigglyDistantAmericanmarten <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">However, XLR8 did say that ice is slippery to run on, but in the episode Merry Christmas he seems to have some control of it. <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in; text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">  ]   [https://gfycat.com/HastyImaginaryAbyssiniangroundhornbill <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">It’s also worth mentioning that he can run on snow just fine. ]

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> Oh, and it should also be worth noting that XLR8 technically isn’t Ben’s fastest form, as Jetray can fly FTL by entering hyperspace.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">http://imgur.com/a/aQRIj        (Source: Ben 10: Ultimate Alien Eye of The Beholder) 

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">[http://imgur.com/JlVDk63 ''<span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">The episode What Are Little Girls Made Of? shows us that Jetray can also do this. '']

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">'<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman"; color:#3A3A3A;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in; padding:0in">Cannonbolt is a more defensive alien whose armor can withstand LOTS easily. He can even withstand atmospheric re-entry! However, he is still under the influence of physics, and it is hard for him to slow or change direction. '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">[http://imgur.com/Ncb9gTk <span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Cannonbolt can actually stop on a dime as shown in the episode Where the Magic Happens. <span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in;text-decoration:none;text-underline: none">  ]<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">  [https://gfycat.com/ShadowySnappyFruitbat <span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">He can also turn pretty well in the episode Trouble Helix. ]<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman"; color:#3A3A3A;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in; padding:0in">  [https://gfycat.com/LegalPotableAmericancrocodile <span style="font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">And turns around in a hallway in the episode Vilgax Must Croak. ]<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman"; color:#3A3A3A;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in; padding:0in">

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">'<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Ghostfreak has the powers that normally come with a ghost- intangibility, invisibility, possesion, etc. However, he is rather slow, and if the ectoplasm on his skin is frozen he becomes unable to do anything. '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> The wording here implies that Ghostfreak is weak to ice attacks. Ghostfreak isn’t weak to ice attacks. The only reason he was frozen was because Sentient Ultimate Big Chill ‘s plasma can freeze intangible opponents as well. When that happened to Ben as Ghostfreak, he immediately changed into Heatblast and thawed himself out.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">   <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">http://imgur.com/BYS5UJ7          (Source: Ben 10: The Ultimate Sacrifice)

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">''<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Yet another example of this quick-change feature taking forever to get working, and shows that it’s almost impossible to pick an alien better suited for the situation. (Sarcasm.) ''

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">'<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Diamondhead is a very strong alien, being made out of a gemstone STRONGER THAN FRIGGIN DIAMONDS. He's able to shoot small crystals from himself, and manipulate his body to form things such as blades. However, due to his crystalline structure, he is particularly weak to sound-based attacks. '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> Talk about a watered down summary. It should be worth noting that  [https://gfycat.com/BoilingAromaticBoutu <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">that Diamondhead was punched from the Planet Galvan Prime to one of it’s moons Galvan B by Malgax (Vilgax in Malware armor) in the episode Malgax Attacks. ]   <span style="font-family: Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">He can reflect energy attacks as shown in the episode And Then There Were 10  and  [https://gfycat.com/FrighteningTotalHadrosaurus <span style="font-family: Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">can absorb energy attacks to be fired later as shown in the episode Vendetta. <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">  ]   [http://imgur.com/wsImoik <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Can trap people in crystal as seen in the episode Trouble Helix. ]   [https://gfycat.com/HarmfulIdolizedFlyingfox <span style="font-family: Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Can travel on crystal as shown in the episode Clyde Five. ]   [http://imgur.com/a/825Yr <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Has also tanked explosions as shown in the episode And Then There Were 10. ]   [http://imgur.com/a/Vdn6w <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">And just about everything shown in his fight with Vilgax in the episode Vengeance of Vilgax Part: 2. ]

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> The only attack that Danny has that could damage Diamondhead is the Ghostly Wail, but that would leave him depowered afterwards. And even if Diamondhead were to be shattered. The Omnitrix has shown that it can bring back Ben from the pieces like in the episode Vengeance of Vilgax Part: 2,  [https://gfycat.com/FlawedArtisticIslandcanary <span style="font-family: Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">when Vilgax shattered Chromastone. ]   [https://gfycat.com/FlawlessFluidBackswimmer <span style="font-family: Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Only for Ben to reform as Diamondhead. ]

<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align: baseline"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Cambria;color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">  '<span style="font-family:Helvetica;color:#3A3A3A;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Way Big is his biggest transformation, at over 100 ft. tall. Its tough for smaller creatures to damage him at ALL, and he can dish out LOST of damage. However, because he's so big, he's not very maneuverable or fast. '

<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align: baseline">[http://imgur.com/a/dySmh '<span style="font-family: Helvetica;color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in; padding:0in">Way Big is actually VERY agile, and he’s pretty fast for his size. Way Big can also shoot beams of energy called Cosmic Rays. <span style="font-family:Helvetica; color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in; padding:0in;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">  ]<span style="font-family:Helvetica;color:#3A3A3A;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">  '<span style="font-family:Helvetica;color:#3A3A3A;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">(Source for both gifs: Ben 10: Omniverse The Frogs of War Part: 2) 

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">[https://gfycat.com/WelldocumentedUnkemptBullmastiff <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">This is another example of Way Big’s maneuverability. There is also example of a more powerful cosmic ray that Way Big used against Malware in the episode Showdown: Part 2. ]

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">[https://gfycat.com/DisfiguredCreamyFossa <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">It should also be worth noting that Way Big has incredible strength, as he threw Vilgax out of orbit in the TV special Secret of The Omnitrix. ]

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">[https://gfycat.com/PlaintiveCarelessGoldfinch <span style="font-family: Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">In the episode Primus, Way Big threw Vilgax (who was Way Big’s size at the time) high into the air. ]

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">'<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Swampfire emits methane from his palms and ignites it, using it as projectiles. He can also crontrol plants in this state, as well as regenerate easily- though he does have limits to his regeneration. '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> Care to explain the limits of his regeneration? Ok, I will.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">[http://imgur.com/a/7cM3v '<span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Completely regenerates from an explosion, gets his head cut of and his body cut to shreds by Goop’s Anti-Gravity Projector. <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in; text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">  ]<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">  '<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">(Source for both gifs: Ben 10: Alien Force Vengeance of Vilgax Part: 2) 

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">[https://gfycat.com/IllustriousFabulousBarnowl ''<span style="font-family: Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Swampfire is also very strong as he was able to push down a Highbreed Weather Tower in the episode Everybody Talks About the Weather. <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in; text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">  '']

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> He also has a new blossomed state where he gets even stronger. First seen in the episode Charmed, I'm Sure.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">'<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Spidermonkey is extremely athletic and dexterous, and able to shoot sticky webs from his tail. However, if he's clumsy he can be caught in his own web. '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">   <span style="mso-ascii-font-family:Cambria;mso-hansi-font-family:Cambria;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">  <span style="mso-ascii-font-family: Cambria;mso-hansi-font-family:Cambria;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman"; color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in; padding:0in">Spidermonkey is also wiry as he uses a streetlight to hit Ultimate Kevin high into the air, <span style="mso-ascii-font-family:Cambria;mso-hansi-font-family:Cambria;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none"><span style="mso-ascii-font-family:Cambria;mso-hansi-font-family:Cambria;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">  [https://gfycat.com/UnhealthyBogusKid ''<span style="mso-ascii-font-family: Cambria;mso-hansi-font-family:Cambria;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman"; color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in; padding:0in">and could throw Ultimate Kevin into the Rust Bucket. ]<span style="mso-ascii-font-family:Cambria;mso-hansi-font-family:Cambria;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">  '' (Source: Ben 10: Ultimate Alien Absolute Power Part: 2)

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> He's also pretty durable,  [https://gfycat.com/FormalBlandDamselfly <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">half a building fell on him in the episode The More things Change Part: 1. ]

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">'<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Big Chill, like Ghostfreak can go invisible and intangible, but cannot posses. Instead he can blow ice beams from his mouth- thats pretty cool! He's even strong enough to rip through metals! But it us worth pointing out his intangibility is conscious, and if he's caught off guard he can get really hurt. '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> Big Chill cannot become invisible, only intangible. Just read through this respect thread..

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/3kwtzp/respect_big_chill_ben_10/

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> It should also be stated that while the wiki claims that electricity could hurt Big Chill even while intangible. There is a scene in Ultimate Alien where Big Chill does exactly that. Ultimate Kevin shoots electricity at Ben as Big Chill and Big Chill dodges it by becoming intangible.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family: Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">http://gfycat.com/KindheartedImmediateButterfly

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">(Source: Ben 10: Ultimate Alien Absolute Power Part: 2) 

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">'<span style="mso-ascii-font-family:Cambria;mso-hansi-font-family:Cambria;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Feedback can absorb and re-direct energy attacks of many kinds. He can also stretch his body quite a bit at will. However, he can easily be damaged by physical and non-electric attacks. '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> Feedback can absorb non-electric attacks as well. Shown when he absorbed Malware’s laser. <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">https://gfycat.com/WiltedSafeKouprey       (Source: Ben 10: Omiverse Showdown Part: 2)

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> Feedback is also pretty strong as shown in one of his fights with Malware. <span style="font-family: Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">https://gfycat.com/PracticalGrippingHoatzin     (Source: Ben 10: Omniverse Trouble Helix)

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> He also is pretty durable as he was thrown into a wall by Phill.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family: Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">https://gfycat.com/TalkativeAngryArchaeopteryx  (Source: Ben 10: Omniverse Max's Monster)

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">[https://gfycat.com/MindlessUnacceptableApisdorsatalaboriosa <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Feedback also gets an impressive electricity ball feat in the episode Let's Do the Time War Again. ]

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">[https://gfycat.com/CourageousNippyKouprey <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Feedback gets another high end feat in the episode The More Things Change Part: 1. ]

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">'<span style="mso-ascii-font-family:Cambria;mso-hansi-font-family:Cambria;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">And last, we have Humongousaur. He's normally around 12 feet tall, but can grow up to 60 feet if he wants! And he hardly feels pain from physical attacks. Though because he's so big, much like Way Big, he's not very fast or dexterous. '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> You seem to have forgotten to mention how strong Humungousaur is. The episode Video Games shows us that Humungousaur can lift the Washington Monument.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">http://imgur.com/a/CeIUS     (Source for both gifs: Ben 10: Ultimate Alien Video Games)

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="mso-ascii-font-family:Cambria;mso-hansi-font-family:Cambria;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">According to the National Park Service, the above part of the Washington Monument weighs over 80,000 tons. <span style="mso-ascii-font-family: Cambria;mso-hansi-font-family:Cambria;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman"; color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in; padding:0in">http://www.nps.gov/wamo/faqs.htm<span style="mso-ascii-font-family: Cambria;mso-hansi-font-family:Cambria;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman"; color:#3A3A3A;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in; padding:0in">

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> Also, Humungousaur is pretty agile, as he was shown jumping onto a Forever Knight’s robot “horse”. <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">https://gfycat.com/PhonyScratchyFowl   <span style="mso-ascii-font-family:Cambria;mso-hansi-font-family:Cambria;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">(Source: Ben 10: Ultimate Alien Eye of the Beholder)

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">[https://gfycat.com/BelatedAbleCaiman <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">More examples of Humungousaur's agility. <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in;text-decoration:none;text-underline: none">  ]   [https://gfycat.com/JointTenderGharial <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">And Humungousaur tanking Malwares lasers. Both examples are from the Omniverse episode Showdown: Part 2. ]

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="mso-ascii-font-family:Cambria;mso-hansi-font-family:Cambria;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">You’re giving some of Ben’s aliens weaknesses they don’t actually have. Humungousaur is pretty agile, and Way Big is also very agile. It’s like you saw that both Humungousaur and Way Big are big and strong, and just assumed that they must be slow and clumsy. Even though that clearly isn’t true.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="mso-ascii-font-family:Cambria;mso-hansi-font-family:Cambria;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in"> 'And the Omnitrix has a mind of it's own- nonono, dont get me wrong, its more of an AI, not a conscious being. It can sense what's happening and can override Ben's choice of monster and choose one more suited for the situation. And normally it has a cooldown timer, but if it senses that Ben's life is in danger, the Omnitrix will skip this timer and let him choose another monster instantly'

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> The Omnitrix does have an AI, and It’s fail-safe  AUTOMATICALLY  transforms Ben into the alien he needs to survive. With the fail-safe, Ben was shown to stop, contain, and absorb the energy of a Big Bang going off in his face.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">https://youtu.be/jzhTcnVkJpU      (Source: Ben 10: Omniverse A New Dawn)

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> This fail-safe pretty much guarantees that Danny couldn’t kill Ben in his human or any of his alien forms. To make matters even worse for Danny, Ben has shown that he can change alien forms even while completely frozen in ice.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">http://i.imgur.com/hWG2iWh.gif      (Source: Ben 10: Ultimate Alien Double or Nothing)

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  The Omnitrix has also shown that it has another fail-safe that protects against possession. Zs’Skayr (Ghostfreak’s real name) tried to and failed to possess Ben as Fourarms and learned that he can’t possess Ben while in his alien forms.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">http://i.imgur.com/vF1Cx8k.gif

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> It also shows that the Omnitrix will automatically take itself out of recharge mode so Ben in his human form won’t be possessed.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">http://i.imgur.com/puWXf2E.gif     (Source: Ben 10: Ghostfreaked Out)

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> Another feature to mention is the quick-change feature. It allows Ben to transform into an alien while already another alien.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">http://i.imgur.com/GTRldA2.gif    <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">http://i.imgur.com/rQtqLNo.gif  (Source: Blukic and Driba Go to Mr. Smoothy's)

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">http://i.imgur.com/w5H9mVu.gif    <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">http://i.imgur.com/J5AoWnm.gif    <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">http://i.imgur.com/kmISfwG.gif   (Source for all three: Ben 10: Omniverse Of Predators and Prey Part: 1)

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">[http://i.imgur.com/hWG2iWh.gif <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Ben can also use the quick change feature even if he's frozen in a block of ice. ]  (Source: Ben 10: Ultimate Alien Double or Nothing)

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> These fail-safes pretty much guarantee that Ben isn’t losing to Danny without downplaying Ben and the Omnitrix and/or overestimating Danny and his abilities.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  As any attempt to freeze Ben won’t work, possessing him wont work, Danny’s ghost rays couldn’t kill Ben because the fail-safe let Ben survive a Big Bang to the face  immediately  after he timed out as Chromastone.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">(And the fact that there are some aliens like  '<span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Humungousaur '<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in"> and  Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.  that have tanked lasers that are just as strong as, if not stronger than Danny's ghost rays. Also there are aliens that have survived explosions far greater than Danny is capable of creating such as  '<span style="font-family: Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Heatblast '<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">  '<span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Swampfire, '<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">  '<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">  '<span style="font-family: Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">or even <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">  [https://gfycat.com/DelectableCraftyAmbushbug ''<span style="font-family: Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Lodestar. ]<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">  <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">I don't think I need to go into detail  about Way Big or even Alien X.) ''

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">(Source:Diamondhead: And Then There Were 10/Heatblast: The Alliance/Lodestar: Ultimate Aggregor) 

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">'<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">And we're gonna get hated on if we dont mention it, so fine: Alien X. Ben's most powerful alien, when the universe ended, Alien X recreated the WHOLE FRIGGIN THING. Though, Alien X is filled with 2 beings, Serena (the voice of love and compassion) and Bellicus (the voice of rage and aggression). Ben comes in as a third voice- the voice of reason. Alien X can only do something if all 3 agree- which nearly never happens- plus, since they're two personalities, that's technically outside help, so Alien X won't be allowed. '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> There are MANY things wrong with this. First, Ben can use Alien X to some extent WITHOUT deliberating with Serena and Bellicus now. First seen when Ben fought Galactic Gladiator. Then seen again when Ben fought the Rooters and Plumber Kids under Servantis’ mind control.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1zHalthf30&ab_channel=CartoonNetwork

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> (Source Ben 10: Omniverse Universe Vs. Tennyson)

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">   <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdSX4edppts&ab_channel=CartoonNetwork

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> (Source: Ben 10: Omniverse Weapon XI: Part 1)

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> Ben still deliberates with Serena and Bellicus to get control over Alien X, he’s getting better at it. <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">https://ask.fm/DerrickJWyatt/answers/120934106996

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  Also, you forgot to mention that Alien X survived the Universe’s destruction, and made a new Universe minutes later. Both shown in the Omniverse episode So Long and Thanks For All the Smoothies.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  Also, the outside help rule doesn’t actually exist. Ben said it himself on his now disabled ask.fm page. <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">https://ask.fm/ScrewAttackBen

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">   " <span style="font-family: Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:black;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">...technically the 'no outside help' rule does not actually exist... ...Because there is an endless number of characters who could be in a Death Battle with such a variety of differences in ability, every single match-up needs to be looked at individually without influence from a lot of restrictive rules. The idea of no outside help, for example, isn't a rule because 'outside help' applies to each character differently. While each match-up in meant to be one-on-one, the goal is to pit the characters against each other at their prime and maximum potential. (Though this can also be changed depending on match-up, but we specify that, like with Link vs Cloud.) <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:black;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in; padding:0in;background:#FDFDFD">"

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:black; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">The “Outside Help” rule doesn’t actually exist, and Death Battle tries to take each character at their strongest. The rule was changed in that particular fight (Link Vs. Cloud) only to weaken Cloud by prohibiting him from using any of his summons so it could be a one-on-one fight between him and Link. Even though a Cloud at his prime/strongest/maximum potential would have gotten all of his summons.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> __________________________________________________________________________________

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:black; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in; background:#FDFDFD">Conclusion 

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:black; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in; background:#FDFDFD">  <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:black;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Most of the statements in the conclusion are the same falsehoods that I’ve already addressed. So there isn’t muck to say here.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:black; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Plus, theres also the fact that there's no way Ben could have harmed Danny, even with Way Big, considering Danny's intangibility, durability and regeneration.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:black; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in; background:#FDFDFD">  <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:black;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Actually, it’s the other way around. It’s pretty much impossible for Danny to kill Ben due to his possession protection fail-safe, his ability to transform while completely frozen in ice, and the Omnitrix’s other fail-safe that lets him survive a Big Bang to the face. With these things plus some other feats I posted, there’s no way a rational person could think Danny could win.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:black; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in; background:#FDFDFD">  <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:black;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in; padding:0in">This isn’t even taking into account Ben’s many other aliens that weren’t even mentioned. Gravattack, Heatblast, Clockwork, Gutrot, Jetray, AmpFibian, Upchuck, Echo Echo, Brainstorm, Atomix, NRG, and many more are at least worthy of a mention.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> __________________________________________________________________________________

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:black; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">“Defense” by ParaGoomba   

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">'<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:black; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Ah, this one. This one has received lots and lots of hate for really no reason whatsoever. DeathBattleMike agrees with this one, I agree with this one, and I'm pretty sure a few others agree with this one too. '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">  [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html ''<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Appeal to authority. ]<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">  ''<span style="font-family: Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:black;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">What DeathBattleMike thinks of this particular fight is irrelevant. He is not an authority figure on anything Ben 10 related. He is just another random person that happens to agree with you.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">[http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/40-appeal-to-popularity <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Appeal to popularity. ]<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:black;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in; padding:0in"> A lot of people agree with me, therefore, I am correct. If I make a Mewtwo Vs. Frieza fight where Mewtwo wins, and a handful of comments on the fight agree with my conclusion. Then how could I possibly be wrong?

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:black; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Obviously, just because a lot of people believe something, doesn’t mean that that thing is correct. The number of people who agree with a particular idea is not evidence that the idea is true.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> Oh, and while there probably are poor arguments made by some Ben supporters here. Most of the “hate” that this fight got was well deserved. The author is completely ignorant on MANY things Ben 10 related, heavily nerfed Ben by only allowing him to use a literal fraction of his abilities chosen at random, ignored the Omnitrix’s other features like the fail-safe that let Ben survive a Big Bang to the face unharmed, and protection from being possessed, and the quick change feature. (A feature that allows Ben to turn into an alien while already another alien.) Poor summaries that leave out some of the alien’s most notable powers, and giving some of the aliens weaknesses that they don’t actually have!

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> (See;  <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Way Big is not agile,   <span style="font-family: Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Cannonbolt can't turn very well,   <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">XLR8 is helpless on water, <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in; text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">  and  [https://youtu.be/jdSX4edppts <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Ben has to deleberate with Serena and Bellicus before Alien X can do anything. ]   [https://youtu.be/H1zHalthf30 <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">And Ben can't ask for some control over Alien X while Serena and Bellicus debate each other. <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none">  ]  )

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">'<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">What if I said this one was hardly even close? Let's think. '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> You are right. This is a stomp. In Ben’s favor. You know the fail-safes, quick change, and many of Ben’s high-end feats? That’s pretty much what makes this fight a stomp in Ben's favor.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Response to Claim 1   

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">'<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Honestly, Grn's claim of "Ben doesn't usually use more than one alien" is right. In almost every battle I've seen Ben in, he either defeated his opponent with one alien, or the Omnitrix had to shut off. '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> That’s so wrong… There are so many times that this was proven false it’s stupid. The episodes Universe Vs. Tennyson, Return To Forever, Darkstar Rising, Blukic and Driba Go to Mr. Smoothy’s, Video Games (an Ultimate Alien episode), Of Predators and Prey: Part 1, Of Predators and Prey: Part 2, Outbreak, Have I got a Deal For You, Malefactor, and Good Copy Bad Copy are just some examples. On top of that, EVERY episode that shows the quick-change feature being used by Ben in the franchise proves this wrong as well.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> For you to think that Ben rarely uses more than one transformation in his fights is very ignorant of you. So much so, that in order for you to think that you would have to have watched a few episodes of the Original Series and nothing else. The ultimate irony of this is that Danny’s strongest attack, the Ghostly Wail, was only used in five episodes of the series, and is something that Danny rarely ever uses. Yet there are no limitations put on that. But you want to argue that Ben can’t quick change or turn into multiple aliens in one fight? Even when there is a plethora of evidence showing that Ben is capable of doing exactly that? You are either  extremely  biased in Danny’s favor, or  completely  ignorant of Ben’s feats and abilities and have no idea what you’re talking about. Which is it?

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Response to Claim 2   

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">'<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">But again, there's another problem. Danny isn't an alien. The Omnitrix wouldn't be able to recognize Danny. '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> That’s completely irrelevant. The Omnitrix recognizing Danny is a non-issue as the fail-safe would activate and keep Ben alive anyway. The first, and only time the fail-safe activated in Omniverse was when a Big Bang went off in Ben’s face. If Ben were about to be killed, the fail-safe would automatically activate and keep Ben alive. It doesn’t matter if the thing about to kill him is an alien, a human, or pure energy. If Ben is about to die, it will activate. <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">https://youtu.be/jzhTcnVkJpU

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> I love how you’re trying to jump through hoops to downplay this point and failing miserably at it. I also find it funny that ParaGoomba348 actually flip-flopped on that point. In this claim, he tries to argue that ghosts in the Danny Phantom-verse are not aliens, they shouldn’t be treated as aliens, and the Omnitrix wouldn’t and couldn't scan him.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> But in  <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">this comment,   he tries to argue that the Fenton Thermos would work on aliens like Ghostfreak, Big Chill, and possibly AmpFibian. He said that Ghosts in the Danny Phantom-verse (including half-ghosts like Danny) should be treated as aliens because the ghosts are from a parallel world.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> ( <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Imgur link in case the comment gets taken down. <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in;text-decoration:none;text-underline: none">  )   I've responded to that comment in the Imgur link and  [http://deathbattlefanon.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:ParaGoomba348/Defending_Death_Battle_Fanon:_A_Series_by_ParaGoomba348#comm-73282 <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">here. ]

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> He originally argued that ghosts and half ghosts like Danny are not aliens because he didn’t want Ben to get some kind of advantage like the possibility of fixing Danny’s mutated D.N.A. or adding Danny’s D.N.A. to the Omnitrix.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> But if Danny could possibly benefit from being treated as an alien, (possibility of being able to trap Ghostfreak and Big Chill in the Fenton Thermos) then he pulls a one-eighty and now believes Danny should be considered an alien. He only argues these things because he could possibly get something out of it, not because he actually believes it. Oh, and I already addressed the “only 3 aliens can hurt Danny” argument earlier.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> I guess I can add  flip-flopper  to my list of words that describe ParaGoomba348.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Response to Claim 3 

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> .' ..Alright, you know how dumb this claim is? It's about as dumb as saying that Deadpool can't lose Death Battle because he's immortal, or Ganondorf can only be killed by the Master Sword. Literally all the "doesn't let Ben die" function does is cycle through his aliens. '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> You realize that the fail-safe is real, right? That, and characters like Deadpool can be incapacitated to the point where they can no longer fight and their opponent would be considered the winner, even if Deadpool isn’t actually dead. Ganondorf can be injured by light or holy magic, and weapons that were created with similar holy powers.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> One scenario involves a character having powerful regeneration ability; another involves a character that can only really be injured by certain types of attacks.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> That’s not the case here. The Omnitrix has a fail-safe that will turn Ben into the alien/aliens he needs to survive if he is about to die. These three scenarios are completely different. Whoever you saw actually argue that characters like Deadpool and Ganondorf can never lose a fight under any circumstances are idiots.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">'<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Ben has A TON of aliens he'd likely cycle through before that. They'd all be completely useless. Danny is a jack-of-all-stats, being fast, durable, strong, a good long-range fighter, and capable of flight. Ben's aliens usually only grant him one of those stats. Let's face it, someone who can do everything all at once is better than someone who can do everything, but one at a time. '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> This furthers the false idea that a lot of Ben’s aliens are only good at one thing. Like they can only be  <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">strong but slow,     <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">fast but weak,     <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family: "TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt: nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">big but     <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">not agile,   <span style="font-family: Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">quick but frail,     <span style="font-family: Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">good at close range fighting but   [https://gfycat.com/MindlessUnacceptableApisdorsatalaboriosa <span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">bad at long range fighting (and vice versa). ]  I have already proved multiple times in this comment alone that for many of Ben’s aliens, this is false.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> That, and it also assumes that if a fictional character is somewhat of a jack of all trades master of none and is fighting another character that is more specialized in a particular stat. Then the jack-of-all-trades would always win. This is false because each fight needs to be looked at individually, and it’s fallacious to assume that the specialist in a particular stat could not win against the jack-of-all-trades. As it’s possible that the specialist’s destructive capacity (or Attack Potency to be more specific) is far above the jack of all trade’s durability. Therefore giving the specialist some kind of advantage in a one-on-one fight.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> Or that the specialist has some kind of special ability that the jack-of-all-trades couldn’t counter, like mind wiping, transmutation, teleporting you opponent to a hostile environment like the vacuum of space or the sun. You shouldn’t assume that the jack-of-all-trades will win every fight simply because they have well-rounded stats and their opponent don’t. That’s wrong and you know it.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">'<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Plus, the Omnitrix isn't something that makes Ben immortal. It's just a defense mechanism. '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> Who is arguing that Ben is immortal? I am only arguing that the fail-safes make it pretty much impossible for Ben to be killed by Danny. Being unable to kill your opponent is not a declaration that your opponent must be immortal. It just means that you are unable to kill your opponent because they are too durable and/or has resistance to or complete immunity to all of your attacks. Just because I say that a character like Bane couldn’t kill a character like Naruto Uzamaki in a fair one-on-one fight, doesn’t mean that I'm claiming that Naruto is immortal.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Response to Claim 4  

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">(Diamondhead Breaking Doesn’t Equal Death)  

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">'<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">True, but how much does that actually HELP Ben? It's incapacitation, or just forcing him to revert to Ben and change into another alien. Which, as Ben, he's HIGHLY vulnerable to Danny's attacks, or worse, possession. '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> As I told you earlier when I was talking about Diamondhead, the Omnitrix has been shown that it can revive Ben if he has been shattered. As proven when Vilgax shattered Chromastone and Ben reformed as Diamondhead a few seconds later. It’s not too far fetched to believe that the Omnitrix could do the same if Diamondhead was shattered. It should also be worth noting that the Ghostly Wail would weaken and depower Danny and it’s only something he would use as a last resort. As I’ve explained already. I have also explained that Ben is immune to Danny’s possession in his human and in all of his alien forms. Many of Ben’s aliens can tank just about anything Danny can do, some can even absorb his energy attacks like Chromastone, Feedback, or possibly AmpFibian.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Response to Claim 5  

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  I proved the “Ben rarely uses more than three aliens in a fight” argument wrong in my response to claim 1, and proved the “only three aliens could possibly hurt Danny” wrong already by listing multiple aliens that could earlier in this comment.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  ' About Way Big... see, at the point, Ben even GOES Way Big, he's tired out from trying out his other aliens first. He doesn't go Way Big unless it's a last resort. '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> This literally isn’t true! The episodes Special Delivery, Video Games, Blukic and Driba Go to Mr. Smoothy’s, and Absolute Power: Part 1 directly disprove the “Way Big is only a last resort” argument. While we are talking about last resort arguments, I should mention that Alien X also has feats showing that he can be used in a non life-or-death situation.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">   <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">https://youtu.be/jdSX4edppts     (Source: Ben 10: Omniverse Weapon XI: Part 1) 

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> So the  “Alien X is only a last resort that has never ben used in a non life-or-death situation”  argument can go die too.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> On top of that, where did you hear that Ben gets tired from switching alien forms? I’m not trying to argue that Ben has infinite stamina or something stupid like that, but what gave you the idea that switching forms tired Ben out? The episodes Universe Vs. Tennyson, Return To Forever, Darkstar Rising, Blukic and Driba Go to Mr. Smoothy’s, Video Games, Of Predators and Prey: Part 1, Of Predators and Prey: Part 2, Outbreak, Have I got a Deal For You, Malefactor, and Good Copy Bad Copy are all episodes where Ben changes forms in a fight. Yet Ben himself isn’t exhausted when it’s over. Where did you get the idea that Ben would get tire from changing aliens?

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">'<span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">I know that in Omniverse, Alien X is capable of some really OP stuff that would destroy Danny, but I know Grn wasn't using Omniverse!Ben. Plus, even if Omniverse was used, Ben doesn't use Alien X for fun. It's a last resort, again, and by the time he even figures out how to hurt Danny, he's way too tired out. '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  Actually, Grnmachine1 did use Omniverse. He has Feedback as one of Ben’s aliens when his ONLY appearances were in Omniverse. Feedback was removed from the Omnitrix when Ben was 11 during an Omniverse flashback in the episode Showdown Part: 1. Ben then re-unlocked him when he was 16 in the Omniverse episode Showdown Part: 2. That was the lore explanation for why Feedback didn’t appear in Alien Force or Ultimate Alien. His “analysis” also references Alien X’s Universe recreation feat. A feat that only happened in the Omniverse episode So Long and Thanks For All the Smoothies.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> His fight not using Omniverse feats was something Grnmachine1 only said when people like me started correcting him and ripping apart his “research” left and right. He then tried to dispel some of the criticism by claiming that Omniverse is a different universe. He of course gave no evidence of this, and just wanted everyone to believe him. When I corrected him again by clarifying that Omniverse is canon and in fact, not different universe. He tried to play it off by using the  “I didn’t use Omniverse Ben”  excuse. Even though his Analysis clearly does.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  The funny part is that even without Omniverse feats, a lot of things he said are still wrong. XLR8 can’t run on water, and Cannonbolt can’t turn very well and has problems stopping are a few examples.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  I just responded to the “Alien X is only a last resort” argument. It’s not true either. <span style="font-family:Helvetica; mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#02899D;border:nonewindowtext1.0pt; mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">https://youtu.be/jdSX4edppts

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Response to Claim 6    

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  ' I know he uses them more in Omniverse or whatever, but like I said, Grn wasn't using Omniverse Ben (which is a completely different canon entirely). Heck, Danny used intangibility WAY more than Ben used Way Big or Alien X. '

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  I’ve already explained to Grnmachine1 that is wrong. Omniverse is is canon to the main timeline. The Ben in the original series, Alien Force, Ultimate Alien, and Omniverse is stated by Paradox to be Ben Prime. This was brought up and explained by Paradox in the episodes  And Then There Were None  and  And Then There Was Ben .

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  Professor Paradox: '' We are now at the beginning of the Ben Prime Timeline, the trunk of the Ben Tennyson tree from which all other Ben realities diverge. ''

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  And of course the quote from McDuffie: '' Omniverse is always taking place "now." Ultimate Alien is always taking place just before Omniverse. Alien Force was always taking place "now," until Ultimate Alien aired, at which point it took place about a year ago. ''

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> The rest of the defense is just ParaGoomba348 using his ignorance of the Ben 10 franchise to argue why Danny has so many advantages. He just restates claims that I’ve already debunked multiple times in this comment alone and I don’t want to make this comment any longer than it already is.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> __________________________________________________________________________________

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;mso-bidi-font-family:"TimesNewRoman";color:#3A3A3A; border:nonewindowtext1.0pt;mso-border-alt:nonewindowtext0in;padding:0in">Final Thoughts 

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  Like I said earlier, Grnmachine1 is completely ignorant on MANY things Ben 10 related. He heavily nerfed Ben by only allowing him to use a literal fraction of his abilities chosen at random, ignored the Omnitrix’s other features like the fail-safe that let Ben survive a Big Bang to the face unharmed, protection from being possessed, and the quick change feature. Poor summaries that leave out some of the alien’s most notable powers, and giving some of the aliens weaknesses that they don’t actually have!

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> Paragoomba348’s defense isn’t much better. It uses a lot of Grnmachine1’s false information and assumes it to be completely true. Way Big is only a last resort and has never been used out of a life or death scenario, ignoring the fail-safes because they make Ben virtually unkillable as far as Danny is concerned, and trying to justify nerfing Ben by limiting him to a fraction of his powers chosen at random are a few examples.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> It is obvious that ParaGoomba348  and especially  Grnmachine1 have little to no idea what they’re talking about.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  An End Of Series (EOS) Ben stomps an EOS Danny any day of the week. The fail-safe that let Ben survive a Big Bang to the face unharmed, possession protection in his alien  and  human forms, and control over Alien X plus he has been used in a non life-or-death scenario pretty much gives Ben a guaranteed victory.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline">  If you want, I would love to argue with you more about this fight. Just don’t use this awful defense, or Grnmachine1’s “arguments”.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:0in;line-height:15.75pt;vertical-align:baseline"> But with all that being said, I would love to argue with you some more about this and Happy Holidays.

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