Thread:Friendlysociopath/@comment-27676479-20160303014301/@comment-3463132-20160303212710

"It's never made clear if megaton punch is canon"

Burden of proof is on the positive claim. People who want it to count as canon have to prove it's canon. And it is never present "in" any main game. It's a side-game you can play. Were it actually "in" a main game it would be a different story.

"It's pretty rediculous to throw something out because it's noncanon"

Deadpool solo-ing the entire Marvel universe says hi.

Superman being able to physically see and hear the people reading his comics says hi.

Sephiroth having stated lightspeed attacks says hi.

The Fate/stay cast having spaceships also say hi.

Every Smash Bros character being able to tank two worlds colliding and exploding behind them say hi.

"The question is whether it contradicts with canon."

Nope, the question is whether it is canon- if it is not then there's no reason to include it specifically because according to the owners of the character- it didn't/doesn't happen.

"That doesn't discredit the fact that he blew him up via Marx"

Actually it does- because Nova explodes from the center where Marx was thrown into the outer area- so you know full and well just sheer physical force cannot be the answer for that.

Also, Nova is a machine full of guns and ammunition, and had previously exploded by those things blowing one another up. It's far less of a stretch to say Nova exploded due to these munitions exploding rather than something a miniscule percentage of his size being thrown at him at any speed. Occam's Razor states the route of least assumptions is the correct one- and that would be mine.

"You're looking at low-ends"

False, you're looking at high-ends, if I was going for a low-end I'd be bringing up the stupid apples, I have not because that is a low-end. Furthermore, the high-ends you're using come with a ton of assumptions behind them, assumptions you cannot prove at all.

"Cloud can be harmed by bullets"

Cloud CAN be harmed by bullets (bullets that pierce steel mind you but bullets nonetheless) who the hell is arguing otherwise? Advent Children outright shows Cloud taking damage from bullets the few times he's shot:

first pointblank in the goggles which drew blood but otherwise he was fine

secondly after Sephiroth where the bullet went clean through him

You can argue he was tired and wounded after beating Sephiroth, which would logically make him weaker, but bullets absolutely seem to hurt him. The hell do you think he blocks them for? If bullets didn't hurt a character there'd be no reason to block them. How often do you see Luffy dodging bullets? Or Superman? Or Hulk?

"Solid Snake stomps"

I sense an attempt to provoke me- Cloud still moves faster than the bullets do- the only times he's been shot were when he was in the middle of a cancer attack and when he had his back turned after a lengthy battle. If Snake can replicate either scenario then sure- he'd be able to shoot Cloud. Granted, Cloud survived being shot so... lot's of luck Snake.