Talk:Arceus vs. Tabuu/@comment-30199358-20161222014746/@comment-26523805-20161222041504

Ness wasn't even with them during the OFF Waves scene tho. (The strongest character in Brawl if my memory serves me correctly.)

Plus, PIS (Plot Induced Stupidity, PLUS it was a weakened Arceus if I remember.), it wouldn't even matter as Arceus faught AND was winning against Giratina, Dialga and Palkia (Plus he created them too), who helped Arceus create the Multiverse.

And Dialga and Palkia alone were destroying the universe by accident in their fighting, and considering Giratina can take both (albiet weakened, though not weakened enough to not destroy the universe.) at the same time, yeah...

While Master Hand created the Smash Bros Universe, and was capable of pulling fighters from other universes, in which Tabuu was capable of taking control of him, that does NOT go to the same level as Arceus' feats.

and even at their lowest wanking points, you can say that Tabuu was defeated by Olimar (without his ship, cuz that ship actually is really strong), who as far as i know, can't even come close to scratching silver walls even with pikmin, and is canonically acouple centimeters tall.

So you've got a being who can defeat aswell as create multiple gods who helped HIM create an entire Multiverse.

And a guy who can control and defeat a being who created A universe.

I think you should know who wins.

(and before you use Para's SSB battle royale, he admitted it was wrong, and Ness would win [stomping everyone else too, including kirby])