Board Thread:Wiki Management/@comment-34634523-20180313212625/@comment-34634523-20180314193150

Commander Ghost wrote: You aren't getting the point. Darth Vader and Anakin aren't alternate forms of each other. Darth Vader is just an older Anakin who was tempted by and fell to the Dark Side while utilizing a different style of combat due to his armor. You completely ignored the point on Classic Sonic and Kid Goku. Both of those were allowed? Why? Because they are different in terms of what they offer and aren't just transformations. Past versions are a different case frok transformations. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to use Young Xehanort from Kingdom Hearts because Xehanort exists as a present character even though both are completely different in what they offer for combat. Young Xehanort for example might be stronger than Xigbar, but it isn't the same case for Old Xehanort as he relies much more on his abilities and magic compared to his younger self. Younger versions are never mentioned as applying to the rule.

And in the Namek Saga? What then? We clearly see Goku more vicious than he would normally be in a fight. You've only proved my point with your remark on this. It's too broad to just say, "with enough differences they can have their own battle". Again, who is the judge here of what is and isn't allowed? There shouldn't be a judge because you're literally just trying to update a rule to make a vague part of a suggestion that should just be objective. Rules again aren't mean to be subjective in whether this qualifies or not. What's the point in having a Rule Violation Report when you would consider rule breaking would be skewed from someone else's viewpoint? You're still making comparisons that don't pertain to the rule. Would it make sense if I talked about changing the Blacklist while mentioning someone like Slenderman even though he clearly isn't on the Blacklist and is excluded? Case and point.

Does the rule need to be updated? No. You didn't address like half of my problems with the changes it could bring and dodged them. Again, the more prominent points that are failing to be acknowledged by everyone in support of changing it is the fact they aren't looking on how vague the statement of "it depends" is and how it is abused. We obviously aren't going to get rid of the rule either since battles we obviously don't need battles with Super Buutenks now do we?

We've deleted pages like this in the past for this exact same reason. Super Shadow VS Laharl being one of the more known examples in this comparison. It was deleted for the fact it used an alternate form. It wasn't because Super Shadow didn't change much from normal Shadow in terms of combat. If it was such a problem, then why wasn't still even in late 2017 and really early 2018 that we still apply that same logic?

I'm going to pull a comparison you seem to be doing. What about something like Stands from Jojo? Should we just allow Stands to have their own battles? I mean, by the logic we're going off of, they should because they are different in abilities, physical capabilities, nature (at times), etc. That devalues having the Stand users though because that makes them be in less battles. You may think allowing alternate forms would help get more attention and activity, but you are still devaluing the characters by not utilizing them in the battle. You say it would just go on their record, but it still devalues a character to just have an alternate form be used.