Talk:Darth Vader vs. Arturia Pendragon/Saber/@comment-3463132-20150812034807/@comment-25951993-20150813052709

A summary of Saber's weaknesses: 

Firstly, she has a finite pool of mana, even with her factor of the dragon abilities, she still requires a Master to povide her Mana, as she burns alot of it in battle.

Secondly, She’s bound by her honor as a knight thus she’d never rely on underhanded tactics.

Thirdly very naive (and to some degree childish), thinking that all of her opponents will fight her honorably.

Fourthly just her sixth sense could be fooled by methods that Saber never experienced before.

And while relevant unlike other Servants, Saber isn't a proper Heroic Spirit thus she has a corporeal body and unable to turn into spirit form.



A summary of what Vader has to trump these:

Firstly, he has the ability to simply manipulate, collect, absorb and release, free flowing energy from his environment via the Force (The ability to destroy a planet is in significant next to the power of the Force).

Secondly, he isn't bound by any form of honor, as Vader, and is very cunning, manipulative and at times uncanny. He also has no problems with using underhanded tactics to win.

Thirdly, despite his tendency to do stupid things in combat, Vader has been trained not just, by himself but by both his Jedi and Sith Masters to think like the enemy he is up against, to be ready for everything and to expect the unexpected, to use Fear, intimidation and his rage and hatred against them.

Fourthly, his sixth sense is almost on par, if not just manages to excede that of Saber's own. Keep in mind Force user's senses are far more superior to that of others. And as the Chosen One Vader's senses are so far superior it actually can excede that of highly powerful force users like Galen Marek, Darth Malgus and even Yoda, all of whom are some of the most powerful force users in Star Wars history. Also Vader has been trained to never be shocked or surprised in battle.

Also while not really much of a factor in this battle, the creator of Star Wars George Lucas once mentioned that Vader could also easily achieve oneness with the Forces while still alive, making him have complete awareness and control over his environment, just like what Galen Marek and Darth Malgus did, although it did not happen or has yet to be show. In fact Lucas also mentioned that Darth Malgus and Darth Vader are very similar individual.