Talk:The Joker Vs Roman Torchwick/@comment-26817192-20160730201337/@comment-26817192-20160807025336

Like I said, Joker is a master manipulator, pushing heroes and villains superior to Roman to unknowingly do his bidding. I think you're giving Roman too much credit, and too an extent, even I feel like I'm giving Joker too much credit too, but it is still flawed. So Joker still should've probably won.