Talk:Darth Vader vs. Arturia Pendragon/Saber/@comment-210.195.95.133-20150813114806/@comment-3463132-20150813204448

" Also the Idiot says that:"

Hey now, play nice- you'll hurt my feelings... also, hard to take someone who doesn't have an account name seriously when they're telling me I'm unreasonable, just saying.

" but honestly doesn't he relise that his event is occuring after the grail was destroyed?"

If we're going to arbitrarilty pick a point in time to pull people from, why would Vader be pulled out at full power and Saber gets brought in after using all of her Mana AND the Grail being destroyed? By this logic I can use Vader as he's lying on the Death Star and dying and he'll be close to what Saber would be. Or I can take Batman fresh after he's had his back broken.

To be fair, if you want Shiro's Summoned Saber for stats, then you should have Saber at full power when Shiro had just summoned her- before she uses up tons of Mana fighting. That would be an equal battle for incarnations. This is based on my opinion of fair-play.

Servants can operate on their own without Mana from Master or Grail for several hours at the least, several days at the maximum. Assuming Saber does not start the battle being completely and fully drained, she would have enough energy to fight anyone for several hours of combat; this point has nothing to do with Vader, this is canon direct from the Fate/stay series. My opinion doesn't matter in the least for this point.

Interpretation is everything in fictional battles; it's already been claimed that The Force =/= Magic. That is an interpretation- one that needs backing before it can be proven correct. That's why making sure you have the correct interpretation is vital to being accurate and fair.

And frankly, even to my limited Fate/stay knowledge, some of these comments come off as just a little bit biased in favor of Vader and in disfavor to Saber.

No amount of form-training will give him enough strength to block Saber's attacks; nor do they give him enough speed to dodge them. Vader is also noted numerous time to not be as mobile as he once was. Saber excels in every physical field: Speed, Strength, Mobility, Durability- Vader must make up his physical inferiority in other ways in order to triumph against Saber.

Saber is also not going to simply "give up" because Vader survives one or two attacks- this stinks of downplay. She fought Berserker- did she lose her cool when doing so? Even when the exact scenario of "I hit him with Excalibur and he didn't die!" didn't cause her to lose her cool when fighting.