Talk:Saitama vs. Krillin/@comment-27594653-20160111232400/@comment-3463132-20160112050558

"Frieza had no ki when the planet exploded"

Really? What is the evidence for this? Also recall that he did not survive that unscathed since all his disk did was cut him in half- everything else is damage from the planet explosing. If he can survive 100% without any ki then it's not by much.

"Vegeta"

Bear in mind, Vegeta is incredibly arrogant; it's not impossible that he would only devastate the planet, not 100% blow it up. And even if his claim was true- no such claim has ever been put forwards for Krillin.

Which appears to be the difference, there are people with claims for what level they're at (Goku) and people with feats that place them at a certain level (Bills)- and then there's the low-tiers like Krillin that don't have either of those; he needs powerscaling or he's not got anything else.

"Piccolo's Moon is consistant"

Hell no it isn't, that would mean every time we see someone throw a beam attack around that misses and they only blow up a mountain or island, they're holding back like 99% of their power. How can you call that consistant instead of them not being that powerful? Frieza throws around those purple blasts like candy- they kill both Piccolo and Vegeta- despite them both supposedly being above that level of damage.

"Frieza is an outlier if we don't count Piccolo moonbust"

Frieza is an outlier- that's the point of him- he's a menace that none of the characters could ever hope to match in combat. Vegeta possibly being able to blow up the planet was much the same in the previous arc, just like Raditz popping mountains was in his arc, just like Piccolo blowing up the island was supposed to be in the arc before that. Frieza's supposed to be above and beyond anything they've ever dealt with. If Frieza could planet-bust and Vegeta could planet-bust shouldn't they be at the same level? How would Frieza be anymore terrifying if Vegeta could do the same thing?

Instead, Vegeta has to power-up via "Saiyans gets stronger when they almost die" hax multiple times, and he still can't keep up with Frieza. Piccolo with his Nail power-up was only capable of keeping up with his 2nd form. And Frieza (in both his canon appearences) planetbusted in his Final Form- not his 1st one.