Talk:Arceus vs Master Hand/@comment-31212806-20170826125259

Arceus after a decently tough fight. Master Hand should be Universal due to creating the Smash-verse and being able to summon the various combatants across universes, but the problem is that Arceus' hax is way better than his, and to top it off, Arceus is still Multiversal while incomplete, since he is still vastly superior to the time, space and anti-matter gods.

Complete Arceus pretty much wrecks via pure stats, he's Multiversal+, possibly higher (we don't know how strong he really is) via creating the entire multiverse of Pokémon.