Talk:Mario vs Superman/@comment-30294856-20161121235711

Tbh, I think Mario actually wins in quite a few circumstances.

DCAU Superman VS Mario (Classic games only)=Mario wins

New 52/Post Crisis Superman VS Mario (no SMG)=Superman wins easily (Mario is nowhere near the level of most versions of Superman without feats from SMG, Paper Mario, or Super Mario RPG)

New 52/Post Crisis Superman VS Mario (with SMG, no Paper Mario)=Mario wins with little difficulty

Mario has a few Multi-Galaxy level to nigh-Universe level+ feats that put him leauges above New 52, Post-Crisis Superman, and even Superman Prime (One Million)

-Defeated Culex, a being who in the Japanese version of Super Mario RPG, stated that he IS time, meaning Mario defeated a Universe level+, omniprescent being (granted he did have help from Peach and Bowser [or Geno/Mallow, depending on who is chosen as the crew members], but he could still survive hits from him directly)

-Fought Grand Star Bowser in a huge black hole which devastated multiple galaxies (Super Mario Galaxy 2)

-Regularly beats up Bowser, who survived the collapse of the Universe, and before you say Rosalina protected him, look at this, an image from the official Super Mario Galaxy Prima Guide.



It says, "Even Bowser is there, shaken by his escape from a horrible fate." That means Bowser did survive the collapse of the Universe. Although Mario was likely protected, this still applies to him, because he beats Bowser regularly.

Pre-Crisis Superman VS Mario (with SMG, no Paper Mario)=Leaning towards Mario, but unsure, because IIRC Pre-Crisis Supes once broke infinity, so that may make him High Universe level, having an infinite degree of 3rd dimensional power. Still, Mario would also be High Universe level since he had help while facing Culex, a Universe level+ being. Since Universe level+ means you can create/destroy the time dimension, Culex would be 4th dimensional, and Mario close to that since he had help from Peach and Bowser.

Any version of Superman (other than Cosmic Armor) VS Composite Mario=Mario shitstomps

Cosmic Armor Superman VS Composite Mario=Superman wins if against base, probably Paper Mario with Pure Hearts (link is here if you want to see what Paper Mario is truly capable of)