Talk:Ness VS Frisk/@comment-28493289-20160518202057/@comment-31259708-20160519004853

OK so first off

"I t's unwise to take Flowey's stats at face value."

No it's not.

"He's clearly able to fuck with the game medium/fourth wall to an extent"

Yes he is that's how storng he is.

"most prominent in 9999 LV, and the "My (Flowey, first person, controlling the game) World" on the save file." yeah it does that AFTER HE DESTROYES YOUR SAVE FILE/UNIVERSE/TIMELINE what ever you call it

" And let's talk about the 9999 LV. Yeah, no, that's horseshit, even for Flowey. LV is measured in how willing you are to kill."

Let's Talk about the fact that that is obviously PHOTOSHOP FLOWEY'S LEVEL

not REGLER FLOWEY'S LEVEL

"  There's no way Flowey can match Chara's sheer hatred for everything (Flowey still wanted to pal up with Chara, and is implied to have done a Pacifist run before getting bored.) It was probably just to scare the shit out of Frisk than anything."

Hey look MORE USE OF BASE FLOWEY TO TRY AND PROVE A POINT EVEN THOUGH OMEGA FLOWEY >>>>>>>>>>>>> BASE FLOWEY.

"Photoshop Flowey's stats, as lifted from the coding, from the wiki...

6000 HP (good, but far from godlike when you look at lategame bosses.)"

Bro the only boss that has higher HP than him Is UNDYNE THE UNDYING.

"19 ATK (great, but again, not a far step away from most bosses, with Asgore's code ATK being 10. I don't know what kind of power "godlike" constitutes but it's worth way more than an Asgore and 9/10ths.)" ok so maybe using ingame stats wasn't the best move But bro  flowey with 6 souls Far exceeds EVERYBODY else Heck he even said his plan would make him stronger than chara  And Chara is litteraly able to destroy at least ONE timeline AND TANK THE DESTRUCTIONand Flowey > Chara So Flowey is Universal.