Talk:Mario-verse VS Sonic-verse/@comment-24530269-20161212162004/@comment-30294856-20161214134603

Again, Mephiles' immortality only makes him ageless. Same for Shadow. He's stated to be immortal, but he's really only ageless. He could be a little higher than City level, but not that much higher. As for Time Travel, they would need prep time to know when the characters in the Mario-verse were born. And although a few Sonic characters can time travel, Bowser has time travel in Yoshi's New Island and there's no indication Kamek helped him.

That's a fan theory that Silver can survive outside the Time Continuum. We don't know when exactly Silver was born, so we don't know if he was born during or after the bad future happened.

The reason why Dreamy Bowser is Multi-Universal on VS Battles Wiki (more likely to be Multiversal)is because the Dream Stone is made up of multiple dreams, and each are separate worlds (universes). Dreamy Bowser is pretty much the manifestation of the Dream worlds, and I calculated how many universes there were. Zeekeeper was able to harm him directly, so he should scale to him. The Dark Stone is made up of the nightmares of the people. The Dark Stone is weaker than the Dream Stone, as Dreambert could fight the Dark Stone, but Dreamy Bowser overpowered Dreambert and Starlow together with ease. Still, the Dark Stone would be Multiversal (or at least Multi-Universal).

I know that its your opinion the Sonic-verse wins, but I just had problems with you saying that Silver, Dark Gaia, and Mephiles could help the Sonic-verse win. In my opinion, their best hope are the 3 hedgehogs in their super forms (also Hyper Sonic and Hyper Knuckles), Time Eater, and Solaris. I respect your opinion that the Sonic-verse wins, but again, I don't think Dark Gaia, Mephiles, or Silver (I'm talking about on his own, although with Sonic and Shadow they could be some trouble) could help the Sonic-verse in winning against the Mario-verse.