Talk:Asriel Dreemurr vs Bill Cipher/@comment-29403514-20170718152701/@comment-26814804-20170718170311

Three explanations for this, one of which is beyond my understanding of dimensional states, so I'mma just focus on the two that I get.

The first way you can get Azzy to where he is power-wise is via scaling. Chara, at LV 20 and with 99 AK and DF, is able to destroy at least one universe, leaving nothing behind. More likely Chara destroys all the timelines, since you are unable to use your DETERMINATION to escape to another or anything comparable.

Then there's Photoshop Flowey. At LV 9999, he is immensely stronger than Chara, though we can't say by how much, the gap is unquestinably enormous. One way or another, he is able to easily rewrite history (in the process erasing humanity, a race of incredibly powerful magic users and timeline-manipulators) and create and destroy multiple timelines on a casual basis. He is also easily superior to Frisk, whom he plays with like a toy until the six SOULs revolt.

And finally, we get to ASRIEL. He is, at least, infinitely more powerful than PS Flowey and Chara, given his infinite AK and DF. That makes him, at the very least, multiversal, thanks to the fact that he is infinitely stronger than Chara, who destroyed, at the very least, one universe.

Then we've got the "Whole World" explanation, What we have to understand here is that, in UNDERTALE, the Whole World is definitely not the same as either the planet, the Underground, or the timeline. You see, in ASRIEL's battle, the flavour text tells you that the Whole World is ending. This is after ASRIEL has used the Hyper Goner and purged the entire timeline. You're floating in a void with no time or space, and only now is the world ending?

The only logical explanation is that the Whole World is a body greater in scope to just one timeline, more specifically, the Whole World must be everything that exists in UT-verse, the entire finite or infinite multiverse.

Then, of course, you have to consider that ''Chara specifically says they're destroying the whole world too. ''Undyne even says that you're a threat to the "whole world." That is to say, a body greater than just the monsters and time-manipulating humans.

Presuming both of these explanations are true, ASRIEL is even stronger, given that he is infinitely more powerful than someone who was able to destroy the entire multiverse in one shot.

One way or another, ASRIEL is really, really strong.