Talk:Kalos Starter Pokemon Battle Royale/@comment-12846745-20150405161400/@comment-1694362-20160811214058

@Neosonic97 I know that's what I said. I have mentioned from my previous post that Protean Greninja can always be revenge killed, usually by Choice Scarfers. But revenge killing Greninja isn't the only way to counter. Status conditions are also a huge problem for it, espeically paralysis. Which can take away Greninja's best Speed stat. No mobility means no speed.

To address this point further, Chesnaught has access to the move Body Slam which is a good STAB move. Although it may not 1-2HKO Protean Greninja, it does a decent amount of damage with the chance of paralyzing it. I'm not certain this can be used to counter Protean Greninja competitively but possibly in a Death Battle.

A statused Greninja (albeit a paralyized one) is a helpless Greninja and would be a dead one at that.