Talk:Sonic vs Bowser/@comment-27824667-20160220165846/@comment-27464497-20160302062358

'''Besides Bowser's fire breath and physical abilities, NOTHING Bowser has is standard. You realize that, right?'''

I never argued which abilities were standard for Bowser. I only argued how powerful those abilities were, and if the strength of the abilities in SMG2 were the standard for any Bowser. They aren't.

'What Ishould'' have said is that it wasn't a true black hole because Sonic was shown for a split second right in front of the black hole, and wasn't immediately sucked in or pulled in far past what the event horizon would have been. '''

I never argued that the black hole in Colors functioned like a real black hole. I've been saying that both black holes don't act like black holes in real life from the beginning.

'''My point wasn't that the Grand Star isn't quite as standard for Bowser as the Chaos Emeralds are for Sonic, it was that Sonic needs to go and collect the Emeralds and generally spends the course of the games looking for them for a power-up at the end. Sort of like how Bowser did with the Grand Star.'''

You missed my point. My point was to show you that Sonic has used the Chaos Emeralds to transform into Super Sonic in multiple games over the past 20+ years. Also in Sonic 3 & Knuckles' and Sonic Unleashed's opening cutscenes, Sonic transforms into Super Sonic before you even play the game. So it has been shown that the Chaos Emeralds are actually standard equipment for Sonic. The same can't be said for Bowser and a Grand Star. Bowser only absorbs the power of a Grand Star in 1 or 2 games, and has feats in it that are far above anything else he has ever done. It hasn't been used nearly as often enough to be considered standard equipment. Especially considering that Bowser lost the power up after he was defeated and appears in newer games without the power up at all. A one time power up isn't "standard equipment" for a character. That's why I brought up Darkspine Sonic. Exactly how that power up is obtained is irrelevant, as it appears so infrequently, that it can't be considered a character's standard equipment.

'If you're going to say that Mario and Bowser weren't sucked in past the event horizon, first off, they were much'' farther away, and second, they actually were being sucked in. If you really look at the scene, you can see that they are certainly being sucked inward. '''

I never argued that Mario wasn't being sucked in the black hole either.

The explosion and matter dispersion alone would have been more than enough force to atomize a solar system.

Yet when the black hole "exploded" on screen, releasing the Grand Star and Princess Peach, the actual explosion was nowhere near that large.