Talk:Arceus vs. Asriel Dreemurr/@comment-29403514-20180823013107/@comment-5429941-20180823014420

I AGREE with Arcues winning Except that the original one isnt multiversal +, just multiversal.

Multiversal + describes character that can create or destroy infinite 3d universes, according to sun/moon there is a crapton of universes in the pokeverse which puts arceus in multiversal level, hoewever the pokeverse never was stated to be infinite, so it isnt multiversal +.

Infinite undertale verse was debunked (I dont know where people got that idea to start with) so asriel is just multiversal.

The reason why arceus wins is basically: better powers, deadliest hax and arguably faster.