Talk:Fredbear vs sans/@comment-26523805-20170502173949

Well I mean, while I can respect the result you came up with, Sans has harmed and killed Flowey multiple times, more so than any monster did, which includes some of the stronger  (Which Flowey tells the player as a warning about him in one of the neutral endings if you spare him). Flowey is a soulless entity, so we can assume that Sans can harm Fredbear, no matter if he has a soul or not (which he should, he canonically has a human soul in his body possessing him).

KR, while debatable in how it works, it would only prevent the poison effect, as Sans' attacks are already naturally rapidly hitting blows.

The problem I have with this result is how Sans does have the speed feat of dodging Chara's attacks, while Fredbear doesn't have a speed feat what-so-ever, which means that we can assume that Sans is faster, no matter how fast you think Frisk is.

Ofcourse, while Fredbear might be stronger and more durable... durablity, as we know, doesn't work with Undertale Monsters, as they attack the soul, and before you start how Fredbear might not have a soul (even though he does have a human soul haunting his body), considering that Sans could once again kill Flowey more than any other monster did.

I overall believe that Sans should still win, not only does he has more feats (that are also more impressive) to work with compared to Fredbear, he takes speed, hax, durablity ignoring attacks that hit extremely fast, a more unpredictable moveset of attacks and ways to use them, and would be worn out less quickly compared to Chara since Fredbear has no speed feats, compared to Chara who has their fair share of them.