Talk:Dimentio VS Mephiles/@comment-24530269-20160914165925/@comment-26374068-20160928005922

Cool, we can debate civilly!

Anyways, I read the page, but, there's still catches. Like I said, all of Sonic's canon, according to Sonic Generations, takes place in one Universe. The highest Solaris' power goes is Universal. Plus, that's not counting the fact that he placed rifts across the planet and it was taking awhile to destroy it. Heck, by rewindind time, characters were preventing the planet from being destroyed. I believe Solaris is Universal, but it takes stretches, and assumptions to say he's any higher. As for The Void, well, Dimentio & Super Dimentio have that power anyway, it's just that's how the Chaos Heart brings about it's power; in the form of a black hole. Heck, The Void was survived by Mario & co., but it's power knocked them unconscious. Dimentio's power was survived by Mario & co., but they were knocked unconscious. Both of these in a cutscene. It's because of the Chaos Heart's invincibility that Dimentio laid low, because of the invincibility, he couldn't defeat Count Bleck. The Void is capable of destroying trillions of Universes. So, Solaris can destroy space and time in one Universe. Dimentio, in base, has the power to do that a trillion times over, and Super Dimentio is infinitely superior to that. I honestly regret making this battle. Frankly, it's a massive stomp waiting to happen.

As for the time travel argument, it won't matter. Dimentio's too powerful, Mephiles can't do anything. Mephiles, at his peak, killed Sonic and stalemated Shadow, both of which were in base form... Planet Level. He can match Base Shadow's speed... FTL... Dimentio? In base can bust trillions of Universes and can move in an utterly timeless void, thus, giving him infinite speed.

Planet Level VS Multiversal. FTL VS Infinite Speed.

Dimentio destroys without any effort whatsoever, and Solaris makes no difference. Since he can lose to three MFTL+ characters in only three different time periods, he dies against Base and Super, who are WAY to powerful and WAY to fast. This is all without counting the fact that Dimentio's a higher Dimensional Being. Being just one dimension higher is a matter of an infinite power jump.

As for the shadow argument, Nephiles has already absorbed Shadow's, and we have no evidence he can casually return to his mist form to do so again. Regardless, even if he got Dimentio's powers, it'd only be on a planetary scale, which is Mephiles' power level. Him becoming as powerful as Dimentio via that ability is also an NLF, as he's never demonstrated anything remotely close to Multiversal. Think about it like this: can Mephiles just eat Bill Cipher's shadow and become 11th Dimensional? No, that's completely stupid, thus, it's an NLF and is only Planet Level, something he's been visually shown capable of reaching.