Talk:Raiden vs. Undyne/@comment-27682253-20160322205620

@saikou

"Isn't it Delicious? Your determination, your will not not give up, its going to be your downfall!"

taken from a quote Asriel said. Sure, you can extract it, but that doesnt change anything, it wouldn't be unheard of since monsters specialize in both technology and magic, the ability to extract an emotion does not make it more than an emotion. What does it look like? How come there hasn't been an occasion where you could "see" determination? Because it is a feeling, alphys was just scientifically pro enough and probably used some kind of magic to transfer it. Monsters aren't determined, it took the king all they had to instill a small amount of hope into monsters, other than that, they were basically hopeless and undetermined to break the barrier. Thats one of the messages of the game; with determination you can achieve greater heights, it was supposed to be relatable to real life, the message would've been ruined if it were turned into something other than that.

Chara does have determination, just not as much if she didnt have Frisk, remember what the game said that every Human had determination, and that monsters were naturally unable to have it with the exception of Undyne, and even then after she was defeated her body melted just like the other Monsters that absorbed determination. But it really doesnt change anything because i agree on the point of Flowey being more powerful than chara, i never said otherwise. But the timeline busting feat that they possess is through determination, and is either exclusive to the Undertale Universe or is common to the point of where anyone can do it, given the determination.