Talk:Ludwig VS Metal Sonic/@comment-26295154-20150516212337/@comment-205.222.248.149-20150520124214

Well, I can see Metal Sonic winning a few outcomes, but overall, Ludwig won it out.

As for the speed issue, I outright admitted Metal Sonic was faster. However, due to Ludwig's teleport, he was capable of countering his speed. While Metal CAN lift structures, Ludwig's stronger than Mario, who can lift 30 tons and a whole fortress. Finally, while the Black Sheid defends against anything, but Metal loses acceleration.