Talk:Jasper VS Undyne/@comment-27448264-20151227065543/@comment-27583694-20160116213739

See, though, it's the choice that factors that fight, though. Undying doesn't appear without making the choice to attack Monster Kid. At that point, Undyne even mentions the fact that she doesn't even recognize Frisk as a human.

Yeah, Jasper might be a little more ruthless, but it's still in the line of the job. That's a far cry even from Frisk at that point, who is again only hurting for the fun of it.

Undying is many leagues stronger and faster than Jasper still. You have to remember that EVERY SINGLE spear you see from Undyne is not a metal spear, it's made from pure energy. And she can fire them off at unimaginably fast rates, encircle foes, shoot them up from the ground, etc.

The time it takes Jasper to start her Comet Charge, she's probably been impaled by several spears. They aren't arrows. These are still SPEARS. Very strong ones, mind you. Coming from the force of a being who causally suplexes boulders in her base form. Yes, Jasper may be able to dodge some of these, but she's not Sans in the dodge department. She's still going to pull off risky manuvers, and if they work, YES, they could cause Undyne harm. But honestly, if you ask me, the improved weapon probably only equals back out to what the Ballet Flats do. A very important reminder here - Undying is the only boss in the entire genocide run there's no way to kill them with one strike. All the other bosses can be killed in a single blow with weaker weapons. And even Base Undyne is beaten in one shot by Frisk when she takes the shot for Monster Kid. The number one thing comes from the difference in LOVE. Where, at the time of facing Undying, Frisk is 10-11, I'd be willing to say Jasper is only about a 5-6. That's a stark difference.

In the end, you're obviously not incorrect in saying that Jasper is more manuverable and not above cheating to win, but against Undying, whom is potentially universe-level, she needs to play the fight PERFECTLY to win, and her own emotions often cloud her judgement and tactics. Another important reminder... Half the reason Frisk gets out of these fights is the ability to heal off the damage using items. Jasper doesn't get this option mid-fight.