Talk:Ness VS Frisk/@comment-665531-20160910235048

My Brief Thoughts:

Ness has a more obviously diverse array of abilities. Even discounting Super Smash Bros, he is a melee fighter who can also use curative magic, support abilities, and a solid Area of Effect offensive spell (PK/PSI are close enough to magic for me to call them that). And he can obviously defeat some tough opponents.

However, many of his feats have to be shared with his fellow party members. His victory against Giygas is less impressive when you factor in how he required help from his teammates, virtually every NPC in the world, and beyond the fourth wall.

Frisk is not as skilled a combatant, and lacks a lot of Ness's versatility and raw stats, but even removing Determination from the picture, he/she/etc is seemingly more agile. And Frisk is also pretty sturdy for a kid. Normal kids can't just shrug off falling into a mountain without injuries.

Factoring in Determination grants Frisk not only the ability to load saves, but also endgame things. In the final battle, Hope halves Damage, Dreams substitutes for his lack of natural healing abilities, and Frisk's soul simply refuses to die, something also seen from Undyne in the Genocide route.

Honestly, this looks like a stalemate. Frisk can dodge and endure most of Ness's attacks, including the likes of PK Rockin, and rely on his Determination to resist the worst of it. But he simply lacks any attacks that can keep Ness down, especially since Ness can rely on Shield and LifeUp. In the very long term, I guess it would be a matter of whether Frisk loses hope in a long and drawn out battle before Ness runs out of PP for his more fancy abilities.