Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-7424710-20160821005000

This thread speaks directly to the admins about administration faults and user's throughts about them. I mean it's in the title, isn't it?

'''So before I start anything, I need to clarify that I'm speaking for a majority of people who are NOT admins, nor am I speaking on the behalf of myself alone. I am speaking with the voices of other users who go to this wiki, and over the days, weeks, and months that have passed, want to put their voice out about the administration faults that tingle throughout this branch of Wikia.'''

'''I should also say that I am NOT attacking any admins, many of them I really like. If I do offend any of you guys, I deeply apologize and did not have any intent to do so.'''

So recently, I think a lot of us have noticed that there's a little fault within the cracks of the admins around here. Maybe they're too nice, too not-nice, do too much, do nothing at all, or anything like that.

I'm perfectly aware of the whole "It's Time to Stop" blog about reinforcements and adminship. Now I respect the thread a lot, but the problem was with the latter choice. We don't really need THAT many admins. If you're completely unaware, there are other kinds of specific moderators that can benefit the wiki. Here's a link to the explanation of Content Moderators and Discussion Moderators btw for those who have no idea who the hell they are. Anywho, let's just get straight to the point.

To begin, some admins don't really... come on as much as they should. An admin should be capable of being able to check on the wiki by an at least semi-daily basis unless they have a valid excuse for it whether it be travel or sickness. Along with that, some admins don't really do anything at all. They may be on, but they don't really take action when it's needed.

And even when we try to reach for that help, we aren't really, you know, heard. In fact, a lot of our words or suggestions have been twisted or just flat-out ignored. For example:

"You guys don't like it when we get more admins!"

Well, there are three reasons why:

1. You probably didn't completely understand what we mean by getting more moderators. First off, we're the ones suggesting to you who would get any promotion rather than you guys having a hunch on who and who cannot work as an admin/moderator. For instance, in the elections to replace a certain person, you didn't go based off of the user votes, more-so having a discussion all to yourselves on who would be the best pick, making our involvement pretty fuckin' useless. Instead of a highly suggested person at the time such as Derp and Saik, you chose Rock, the admin open for memetic slander such as "At least X does something." or the various "Rock do your job" lines.

2. Usually, you promote already promoted users to adminship. That is not what we meant by getting more people to help manage the wiki. You're only giving more power to the same team, which has shown to be both good and really controversial decisions. You don't stop crime by giving one officer a tank, you stop crime by getting more officers that can cover more areas, especially at different times of the day. I've witnessed a guy posting gore and porn at 4 AM in the morning, where all the admins were asleep at the time. That tank won't help when the user is asleep while that criminal is doing some crime back there.

3. That's kind of the problem, we don't need admins, we need moderators. Giving someone too much power can lead to some unjust decisions and actions that us powerless users can't do anything about but gripe at it. See how it comes back full circle?

Finally before I reach user thoughts, recent events unfolded did bring apart a staggering question: "If there was Moderation Training, why haven't other Admins been retested to see if they're still valid as such?" One of the admins that we keep unnamed either to keep safe or if we already know who said person is has been accused of being too harsh with punishments, letting his opinions take over more than factual evidence, and does not follow guidelines when it comes to things like Warnings.

When a person like me can call that person out with more information in his hand than an actual admin themselves, doesn't that raise a couple eyebrows?

Now I've actually asked ten people what their thoughts are on adminship and how to improve it to make the wikia experience more... you know... fun. Here are some of the unedited (outside of sentence organization and neatness) quotes that I found to be the best suggestions.

Der Purple Ist Dank: "Don't let emotion dictate actions and punishments. Listen to what non-Staff users have to say. Don't be self-righteous. Consider the judgments of others."

Afroapproved: "Well idk really it feels like some admins are simply lost causes, where as others are fine, I and a few others I've spoken with think some mods and admins should be deleted for a fresh start."

TrashtaChief2003: "hmmm, uh, not be so how's the word... harsh? and actually follow the rules when it comes to banning."

Thetmartens: "We should also have a sort of program for admin/mod training, rather than just "Oh this person I like let's get it". I mean hell with that logic I've heard that supposedly somebody who acts like a 6 year old weeaboo would be getting mod training."

Dbfan and Critic: "I feel like admins should be people who are on the wiki alot. Honestly my biggest problem with a few of the admins are they are litterally almost never on."

Dio the Ludicolo: "I think that things would mostly get a ton better if they were a lot more impartial about certain things. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has them. Opinions are what mostly determine whether an admin is kind or mean in certain situations IMO. But it's not like we can get rid of opinions, because that's impossible. I just think that personal bias and opinions should be put aside."

They were also asked who they think would apply for modship (Key Word: Modship, not Adminship. I've already explained why.), some have even given specific categories for said people. This is generalized due to some people having repeats, so no specific quotes here.

CHAT MODERATION: Big the cat 10, RoaringRexe, and TrashtaChief2003

DISCUSSION MODERATION: Arigarmy (me), Der Purple Ist Dank, and Austrian-Man-Meat

CONTENT DISCUSSION: Dio the Ludicolo and The Ancient One G1

Now note, these are suggestions, not demands or requests. This is based on what the people, the ones who want to have a peaceful time here, believe should be given a training chance to help make this wikia better, not the ones who run it and go mostly on a hunch or vague quotes from others. The eight people listed here may not be actually promoted, maybe they will, it more-so depends if they're chosen to. It's only the ideas of us commoners, no more no less.

I hope that you guys take this message seriously, because I'm really tired of all these quotes and claims from you guys that can be borderline hypocritical. Until the time training takes place, take what we've suggested, maybe it can help. I do not mean to offend you people, for I only act as a messenger.

Peace. 