Thread:Friendlysociopath/@comment-25951993-20150813095157/@comment-3463132-20150814024649

" they show him being able to life several tons with out the use of the force"

Lifting has little to do with striking force, they are related but one does not equal the other in any way. That is fallacious reasoning. Look at a boxer and look at people who lift weights for a living- the body types are entirely different.

" This is how Saber would be unable to lend a blow on him.  "

This is, respectfully, bullshit- he is not invincible because he uses a certain form. He still has to have the required speed and strength feats to block or dodge Saber's attacks. You've not presented any reason he is fast enough to do so- faster than the eye can follow is not anywhere near supersonic- let alone someone like Saber who is hypersonic.

"The Power attacks from a Djem So user like Vader can easily knock an opponent back"

This is also fallacious, Vader can knock back people who are of a certain caliber of strength- to say he can knock anyone back is false and to say nobody can strike him when he uses another form is also false.

"  it is fairly logical that he should and can block a force capable of destroyig building "

A blast that destroys a fortress > a single building. And when did Vader ever destroy a starship or building with The Force?

" Also just because Vaber isn't as fast as Saber, does not mean he is not as smart as her."

Not trying to be mean but- duh? Speed and Smarts have literally nothing in common but the letter S.

" and knows how to really stratergize and play his opponents into his hands."

To do that he has to know about his opponent, he knows nothing about Saber whatsoever.

" Also based on the various outcome we have calculated and thought up"

How did you "calculate" that out of curiousity? Because your reasoning in results frankly does not point to any such thing.

" Saber many have defeated extremely powerful enemies like Hercules and Gilgamesh, but Darth Vader is a whole different kind of powerful."

No he isn't, many Servants in Fate/stay are far above Vader; I don't even like the series and I can tell that easily. The fact that you chose those two to say Vader is superior shows you did not do anywhere near enough research about Fate/stay or Saber.

To recap:

Saber is faster (Hypersonic vs subsonic)

Saber is stronger (Vader lifting a few tons does not equate to striking strength)

Saber is as durable as Vader, if not more so

Saber is resistant to the Force

How then, does Vader possibly take the win? Speed and Force Resistance alone make it nearly 50/50 odds for Saber; throw in the others and I can't honestly see why Vader should've won that battle. You haven't given me reason to see why Saber would even need Excalibur, Vader isn't fast enough to stop her from running him through and you yourself admitted his armor wouldn't stop a direct hit.

"Plus his force powers and heightened instincts not only surpass Saber's"

Not a chance.