Talk:Mario vs Kirby/@comment-27822848-20160214072550/@comment-27822848-20160217093725

"1) So. It's still a weak spot. Just because you get hit in a weak spot doesn't mean you'll die." - You do realize that this only furthers my point, right? Because Bowser's weak spot survived such a powerful attack, and Mario's able to harm him, that puts him at a very high level.

"2) You are seriously lowballing Kirby here. Kirby has been able to defeat dimension manipulators and reality warpers such as Nova ( a being that can grant any one wish with no limits at all), Drawcia (a witch capable of turning any world into drawings) and Magolor with the master crown (which was able to destroy an entire dimension)." - Okay, look at what you're saying here. You keep using that word - "dimension".  Dimensions have no set size in fiction.  Planet-sized dimensions exist.  Continent-sized dimensions exist.  Town-sized dimensions exist.  There is no evidence that the dimensions were universe-sized, or really anything bigger than planet-sized.

"2b) NO NO NO! As Mario and Luigi: Paper Jam has shown, mainverse mario and paper mario are two ENTIRELY SEPERATE entities. Therefore you can't use feats from that series. Culex is an optional boss and therefore is not in the actual canon. Yes the player can beat him but Mario has never actually canonically defeated him. It's like me saying Bayonetta can beat Rodin (who can one shot any angel and is the most powerful enemy in the game) despite the fact that he is only optional." - Even if Mario never canonically defeated Culex, the fact remains that he was shown to be able to do so.

"3) Please. Like with the above argument just because the player can beat Master Hand with jigglypuff DOESN'T MAKE IT CANON. Master Hand successful turned all the smashers into trophies proving that he is at least capable matter transmogrification. With this one feat Master Hand has proven that he is more powerful than all the smashers combined. Also I know this doesn't add anything to the debate but I was just correcting you." - I could go on about how Master Hand isn't universal whatsoever. He's incredibly inconsistent with his abilities.  If he really was able to transmogrify Kirby into a trophy, why didn't he do that in the battle?  It's something he could have very easily done, and something he wouldn't have hesitated to do.  The only real possibilities are that he was holding back and only has Planet-level durability (seeing as how he has no durability feats anyway), that he was restricted by the plot (which completely invalidates the feat for Kirby), or that this simply was a weaker Master Hand. No matter the case, this hardly works as a feat for Kirby.