Talk:Beerus VS Tabuu VS Solaris/@comment-30328199-20161225125729/@comment-5038193-20161225130925

Tabuu is universal yet he and Master Hand (Who is also considered universe) loses to characters weaker then them.

Even if we take feats from outside of Smash Bros for certain characters they still wouldn't be considered universal. So that don't make sense how Master Hand always loses despite the fact he's universal. Not to mention Tabuu's best attack only turned characters into trophy's. That doesn't work on anyone besides Smash Bros characters.

Also he got hit by a less then lightspeed base form Sonic which seriously weaken him. No way a universal character would get weaken that badly from base form Sonic. And that wasn't Archie Sonic that was game Sonic which is way weaker then Archie.

So I really don't see how either of them could be considered universal. It just doesn't make sense to me.