Talk:Goku VS Arceus/@comment-31172844-20170413124809/@comment-31550106-20170915000037

Since Goku is 3x multiversal as a ssjg in Battle of Gods (since 1 dbz verse = 3 real world verses), and that you make his base form equal to ssjg, then you multiply that by 160 quadrillion for the ssgss multiplier, then by 10 for Kaioken, then another 10 for the Goku Black zenkai, and you get 48000000000000000000 times universal. Now, I know that Goku does not have the range to do this, but DBZ characters condense their ki to make their attacks stronger. Take a universe sized rock. The rock itself doesn't have universal durability. Someone like Naruto or Ichigo could break it easily. The problem is that they don't have enough range. In Goku's case, he takes his  48000000000000000000 times universal power into a compressed blast of energy to attack his opponents ad do more damage. For speed, he can reach MFTL as a ssjg in Battle of Gods, and he can become quadrillions to quentillions of times faster than that, and possibly millions of times faster than THAT with Instant Transmission. Goku also has more martial arts than Arceus, although that's kind of invalid since Arceus is not a humanoid being.

Xenoverse Goku and DBZ Online Goku are FAR stronger than DB Super Goku. Either Way, Goku should win, but it would be a tough fight.