Talk:Sonic vs Son Goku/@comment-30324122-20180412150200/@comment-31550106-20180815203411

4D Goku: UI Sign Goku shaking the World of Void, and being > Suppressed Jiren, who is > Infinite Zamasu, who is a sentient timeline, and Xeno Goku is far stronger than him since Demigra, who destroyed the entire time vault (which contains numerous timelines) after absorbing Tokitoki

4D Sonic: Super Sonic almost matching Mammoth Mogul, who embodies most of the power of the Master Emerald, which is stated to be able to destroy infinite realities and create a new multiverse after the previous one's destruction. Also, Ultra Sonic is far superior to Super Sonic, since Ultra Sonic is powered by a Super Emerald, which is > the 7 Chaos Emeralds.

Infinite speed Goku : UI Sign Goku > suppressed Jiren, who moved in stopped time from Hit's Time Cage

Infinite Speed Sonic: Super Sonic keeping up with Archie Solaris, who could travel through time through speed alone (not hax or time manipulation, simply with his speed). Also, Solaris could exist after consuming space time, further dictating infinite speed