Talk:Kalos Starter Pokemon Battle Royale/@comment-12846745-20150405161400/@comment-26418719-20160811055755

Super Effective Bite Actually does worse than an STAB Wood Hammer:

0 Atk Chesnaught Bite vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Greninja: 128-152 (44.9 - 53.3%) -- 28.9% chance to 2HKO

compared to

0 Atk Chesnaught Wood Hammer vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Greninja: 190-225 (66.6 - 78.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

(This is with Greninja shifted to Psychic for both attacks, by the way, and the same Greninja and Chesnaught sets).

I'll grant Hammer Arm vs Ice Beam, but that would require running a suboptimal Chesnaught set. It also assumes Greninja won't use Extrasensory which isn't guaranteed an OHKO but will more often than not, as shown by this calc:

252 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Extrasensory vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Chesnaught: 367-432 (96.5 - 113.6%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

So Greninja doesn't really need Ice Beam to take Chesnaught down, Extrasensory does almost as good a job.

If the player is willing to sacrifice a bit of speed by using Modest over Timid, it will become a guaranteed OHKO:

252+ SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Extrasensory vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Chesnaught: 400-476 (105.2 - 125.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

So yeah, in most 1v1 Scenarios Protean Greninja does wipe Chesnaught out, With or without EVs or items.