User blog:Tonathan100/Standard Assumptions About Cosmology

I want to create a more ordered system to defining certain destructive capacity levels (particularly the ones that are Universe Level) and up. So I devised these standard assumptions based on what I know about cosmology and degrees of infinity. I'm using a more lax standard concerning degrees of infinity here since this is fiction.

DISCLAIMER: I am not creating this article to spite VS. Battles Wiki. I am just creating an alternative way for tiering the destructive capacity/attack potency/energy output of characters who are Universe Level and above.

To start off this blog, we must first define the terms that we are using.

Dimension/Realm: a set, system, or structure of spacetime that may or may not contain forms of mass-energy, contains laws and constants of physics that govern said mass-energy, and has less size than a universe.

Mathematical Dimension: an axis of spacetime upon which objects can exist.

Plane of Existence/Layer of Existence/Level of Existence/Existential Plane/Existential Layer/Existential Level: an "axis" or stable and/or subtle state of existence that is governed by a separate reality or actuality.

Universe: a set, system, or structure of spacetime that contains forms of mass-energy and the laws and constants of physics that govern that mass-energy. A universe must have a diameter at least 8.8E26 meters, have a surface area of at least 2.432E54 m^2, a volume of at least 4E80 m^3, and contain at least a mass-energy content of 2.68E71 joules to be considered such.

Timeline: a set, system, or structure of the series of all events contained within the normal passage or flow of a frame of reference within a given mathematical dimension.

Spacetime Continuum: a manifold consisting of fundamental interactions that are ordered by a frame of reference which are described by a coordinate system within an extent in which objects have relative position and direction.

Reality/Actuality: a set, system, or structure of a state of things as they actually exist, rather than as they may appear or might be imagined.

Multiverse: a set, system, or structure that contains finite to infinite universes.

Megaverse: a set, system, or structure that contains finite to infinite multiverses (note that at least one of the multiverses has to be an infinite Level IV multiverse for a megaverse to qualify as one).

Multi-Megaverse: a set, system, or structure that contains a finite to infinite amount of infinite megaverses, or a finite hierarchy of parallel universes above a megaverse.

Omniverse: the totality of a Verse or Series Franchise, a set, system, or structure of every dimension, realm, universe, multiverse, megaverse, plane of existence, timeline, spacetime continuum, continuity, actuality, and reality within a fictional setting.

Continuity: a set, system, or structure within a significant portion of an Omniverse where one or more possible universes are self-contained.

Now on to the rest...

Note: these standard assumptions are not set in stone, and are subject to change with time.

Standard Assumptions Concerning Dimensions

1. Like always, as there is no standard size for a dimension in fiction, evidence must be presented for the size of a dimension before the creation/manipulation/destruction of said dimension becomes a usable feat.

2. If there is evidence or proof that a dimension has a diameter of at least 8.8E26 meters in size, has at least a surface area of 2.432E54 m^2, has at least a volume of 4E80 m^3, and contain at least a mass-energy of 2.68E71 joules, it will be assumed to be an infinite universe.

Standard Assumptions Concerning Mathematical Dimensions

1. The Outskirts Battledome does not rank power based on mathematical dimensions, for the simple reason being that mathematical dimensions are too inconsistent in fiction.

TTGL (from the Outskirts Battledome) - "It depends on the type of dimensions - higher levels of existence can range from entire infinite universes being less than an atom in a higher dimensions (and said system continuing on forever) to just people with strange angles. Then there's stuff like higher realms being more real than lower realms. Basically, dimensions should be tackled per individual series, not bulked together in an all-encompassing power levels system, as dimensions vary greatly from work to work, and we don't even know if higher dimensions exist."

Endless Mike (from the Outskirts Battledome) - "Let me also post another rant against the retarded concept of 'dimension tiering'.

'Dimensions' in fiction can mean many different things. Just because someone or something moves through/exists in/protects from something that is n-dimensional doesn't mean anything unless you are comparing it directly to something that actually makes sense to compare it to.

For example, if a shield can defend against attacks from 5 dimensions, and a weapon can attack in 6 dimensions, then (assuming the concept of 'dimension' is at least somewhat comparable across the two settings), it can likely be inferred that the weapon can overcome the shield, all other things being equal.

But just because someone is described as "existing in x-dimensional timespace or whatever, and someone else is described as "existing throughout x+1 dimensions", that doesn't mean the latter automatically beats the former. In addition to establishing that 'dimensions' in the two settings are comparable, you have to take into account scale in each of those dimensions, the various abilities of the entities in question, their power output, etc. The idea that higher-dimensional beings always beat lower-dimensional beings is retarded.

Here's an example: In one Star Trek episode, the Enterprise ran into '2-dimensional beings' which were not only dangerous to the ship, but couldn't even be harmed due to existing in only 2 dimensions, and all of the Enterprise's weapons were 3-dimensional. They were hard to even detect. Their telepathy also was dangerous to three-dimensional telepaths."

And this...

http://www.askamathematician.com/2012/05/q-what-would-life-be-like-in-higher-dimensions/

Anon: Ok, this is a dumb question, but the dimension number does NOT effect the magnitude of a force vector or the total energy right? As in 10 J in 1-D is the same as 10J in 3-D which is the same as 10J in 10-D in terms of magnitude?

The Physicist: @Anon That’s a great question! Kinetic energy shouldn’t have anything to do with the dimension of the space.

Anon: Thanks a lot there are a few people i know that just don’t listen to this distinction they think a higher dimension immediately = infinitely more energy

oh also, mass too is a dimensionless quantity right?

The Physicist: @Anon Maybe? We’d need to look at some 2 or 4 dimensional matter and see how it behaves. My guess is that it’s a dimensionless quantity.

That being said...

2. Due to their higher-dimensional nature, characters that exist in higher dimensions can be presumed to be non-corporeal and nigh-omnipresent at minimum.

https://youtu.be/uDaKzQNlMFw

You see, a higher mathematical dimension contains an infinite number of a lower mathematical dimension. This is a given. (0:13)

Higher-dimensional entities can move in higher mathematical dimensions, meaning that they will seem to move at infinite velocities or teleport to lower-dimensional entities if they move in those higher mathematical dimensions. (0:22)

There is also the fact that higher-dimensional entities will be spread out across multiple spacetime continuums of the lower mathematical dimensions. This means that higher-dimensional entities are nigh-omnipresent or at least extremely large compared to lower-dimensional entities. (1:42)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-dimensional_space

"As a three-dimensional object passes through a two-dimensional plane, a two-dimensional being would only see a cross-section of the three-dimensional object. For example, if a spherical balloon passed through a sheet of paper, a being on the paper would see first a single point, then a circle gradually growing larger, then smaller again until it shrank to a point and then disappeared. Similarly, if a four-dimensional object passed through three dimensions, we would see a three-dimensional cross-section of the four-dimensional object—for example, a hypersphere would appear first as a point, then as a growing sphere, with the sphere then shrinking to a single point and then disappearing."

Therefore, if a lower-dimensional being attacked a higher-dimensional being, the lower-dimensional being would have only attacked a cross-section of the higher-dimensional being.

3. If a verse or series franchise actually does tier or rank power using mathematical dimensions, then mathematical dimensions will only be used for powerscaling in-verse.

Standard Assumptions Concerning Universes

1. Like always, a universe is to be presumed to be infinite unless there is irrevocable evidence against the universe in question being infinite.

2. If a universe is finite, then the universe must be presumed to be the size and have the total mass-energy of the observable universe.

3. If a universe is infinite, it's size, not to mention the amount of energy required to destroy it, will be presumed to be aleph-0.

4. If a universe is finite, then the energy needed to destroy it will be assumed to be the gravitational binding energy of the observable universe, which is approximately 8E71 joules. Gravitational binding energy is being used since the fundamental interaction of gravitation is essentially what holds the universe together. There is literally no region within the universe where gravitation does not exist. It should be noted, however, that there will be an unusual "ultimate gravitational singularity" at the end of the Big Rip scenario, likely meaning that the entire universe would be reduced to a single point by the Big Rip.

https://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0302506

http://www.physicsoftheuniverse.com/topics_bigbang_bigcrunch.html

5. If a universe is finite, then the energy needed to create it will be assumed to be the total mass-energy of the observable universe, which is approximately 2.68E71 joules. The total mass-energy of the observable universe is being used as that is the total amount of energy released in the Big Bang.

6. If one destroys only the space and mass-energy, and not the full totality of the spacetime and mass-energy, of an infinite universe, that being will be assumed to have produced 8E71 joules.

7. If one destroys only the space and mass-energy, and not the full totality of the spacetime and mass-energy, of a finite universe, that being will be assumed to have produced 2.68E71 joules.

Standard Assumptions Concerning Multiverses

1. Destroying a finite number of infinite universes will be presumed to take an amount of energy between aleph-0 and aleph-1.

2. If a multiverse has an unspecified number of universes, the number of universes assumed for that multiverse will be 1E500, as that is the theorized number of universes in our own multiverse.

http://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-th/0004134.pdf

3. When concerning multiverses containing infinite universes, it is important to know which type of multiverse one is talking about. Max Tegmark's four levels of the multiverse and Brian Greene's nine types of the multiverse can help us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse#Max_Tegmark.27s_four_levels

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse#Brian_Greene.27s_nine_types

http://physics.about.com/od/astronomy/f/ParallelUniverseTypes.htm

From these taxonomies, we can make a comprehensive multiverse hierarchy or multiverse classification scheme.

3a. If the multiverse is an infinite Level I multiverse, the amount of infinite universes assumed is 1 and the amount of energy needed to destroy it aleph-0.

A Level I multiverse is also known as an inflationary multiverse.

3b. If the multiverse is an infinite Level II multiverse, the amount of infinite universes assumed is aleph-0 and the amount of energy needed to destroy it aleph-1.

A Level II multiverse is also known as a bubble multiverse.

3c. If the multiverse is an infinite Level III multiverse, the amount of infinite universes assumed is aleph-1 and the amount of energy needed to destroy it aleph-2.

A Level III multiverse is also known as a quantum multiverse, many-worlds multiverse, many-worlds interpretation multiverse, many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics multiverse, relative state formulation multiverse, Everett interpretation multiverse, many-universes interpretation multiverse, or theory of the universal wavefunction multiverse.

3d. If the multiverse is an infinite Level IV multiverse, the amount of infinite universes assumed is aleph-2 and the amount of energy needed to destroy it aleph-3.

A Level IV multiverse is also known as an ultimate ensemble multiverse, ultimate multiverse, mathematical multiverse, and mathematical universe hypothesis multiverse.

4. Evidence for which type of multiverse is which when characters in a verse will be analyzed on a mostly case-by-case basis. But there will be a few noteworthy standard assumptions for analyzing multiverses.

4a. Level I multiverses are simply infinite universes. If a universe is stated, shown, or implied to be infinite in size, it will be considered a Level I multiverse by default.

4b. When a series franchise or verse is stated to be a multiverse, it will automatically be assumed to be a Level II multiverse unless evidence is given for said multiverse to be on a higher or lower level. Statements or implications about a multiverse being "infinite", "countless", or "endless" mean that a multiverse is an infinite Level II multiverse. If a multiverse is stated to contain universes with different physical constants than ours, it will also be assumed to be a Level II multiverse.

4c. When a series franchise or verse contains a multiverse inside of it, and its description of the multiverse is similar to or the same as the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics (for example, the multiverse being described as having realities diverge upon new decisions), then it will be assumed to be an infinite Level III multiverse. The multiverse will also be assumed to be an infinite Level III multiverse if said multiverse is stated or implied to be infinite-dimensional.

4d. A series franchise or verse is considered to contain a Level IV multiverse if said multiverse contains universes with different structures of mathematics than ours, contains sets, structures, or systems that exist beyond spacetime, duality, or existence and nonexistence, contains universes with different fundamental laws of physics than ours, contains universes with different laws of logic or metaphysics than ours, contains universes with wholly alien or incomprehensible concepts, or contains impossible worlds.

For more information about the mathematical universe hypothesis:

https://arxiv.org/pdf/0704.0646v2.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/9704009v2.pdf http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-the-universe-made-of-math-excerpt/ http://discovermagazine.com/2008/jul/16-is-the-universe-actually-made-of-math http://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/crazy.html

For more information about impossible worlds:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_world http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/impossible-worlds/

Standard Assumptions Concerning Megaverses

1. If a set, system, or structure of universes is so large that a Level IV multiverse cannot contain it, and a set, system, or structure of multiverses is needed to contain the total amount of universes, at least one of the multiverses will be assumed to be an infinite Level IV multiverse, with the standard assumption being that said multiverse is grouped with other Level IV multiverses.

2. If an infinite Level IV multiverse is grouped with smaller infinite multiverses, such as an infinite amount of infinite Level II multiverses, or a finite amount of infinite Level III multiverses, the amount of infinite universes assumed for the megaverse is still aleph-2.

3. If a finite amount of infinite Level IV multiverses is contained within a megaverse, the amount of universes assumed for the megaverse is between aleph-2 and aleph-3, and the energy needed to destroy them between aleph-3 and aleph-4.

4. If an infinite number of infinite Level IV multiverses is contained within a megaverse, the amount of infinite universes assumed is aleph-3, and the energy needed to destroy them aleph-4.

Standard Assumptions Concerning Multi-Megaverses

1. If a set, system, or structure of universes is so large that a megaverse cannot contain it, and a set, system, or structure of megaverses is needed to contain the total amount of universes, at least one of the megaverses will be assumed to be an infinite megaverse, with the standard assumption being that said multiverse is grouped with other infinite megaverses.

2. If an infinite megaverse is grouped with smaller megaverses, such as a megaverse containing a finite amount of infinite Level IV multiverses, the amount of infinite universes assumed for the multi-megaverse is still aleph-3.

3. If a finite number of infinite megaverses are contained within a multi-megaverse, the amount of infinite universes assumed is between aleph-3 and aleph-4, and the amount of energy needed to destroy them being aleph-4 and aleph-5.

4. If an infinite number of infinite megaverses are contained within a multi-megaverse, the amount of infinite universes assumed is between aleph-4, with the energy needed to destroy them being aleph-5.

5. The full sum totality of an infinite multi-megaverse contains aleph-ω-1 universes, and requires an energy output of aleph-ω to destroy.

Standard Assumptions Concerning Omniverses

1. If a verse or series franchise contains an infinite hierarchy of parallel universes, or an infinite fractal universe/infinite fractal multiverse, akin to a hierarchy of Russian nesting dolls, then the amount of universes assumed for such an verse or series franchise will be aleph-ω, with the energy needed to destroy them being aleph-ω+1.

http://www3.amherst.edu/~rloldershaw/ifu.htm

2. If a set, system, or structure of universes is so large that a multi-megaverse cannot contain it, and a set, system, or structure of multi-megaverses is needed to contain the total amount of universes, at least one of the multi-megaverses will be assumed to be an infinite megaverse, with the standard assumption being that said multi-megaverse is grouped with other infinite multi-megaverses.

3. If an infinite multi-megaverse is grouped with smaller multi-megaverses, such as a multi-megaverse containing a finite amount of megaverses, the amount of infinite universes assumed for the Omniverse is still aleph-ω-1.

3. If a finite number of infinite multi-megaverses are contained within an Omniverse, the amount of infinite universes assumed is between aleph-ω-1 and aleph-ω, and the amount of energy needed to destroy them being aleph-ω and aleph-ω+1.

4. If an infinite number of infinite multi-megaverses are contained within an Omniverse, the amount of infinite universes assumed is aleph-ω, and the amount of energy needed to destroy them being aleph-ω+1.

5. If a Verse or Series Franchise supposedly contains all of fiction and real life, or even just real life or all of fiction along with the rest of the universes within, it will be assumed that said "real life" is just a fictional representation of real life and the fictional settings contained are simply versions of the "actual" fictional settings. However, if such a statement (said statement bring the verse containing all of fiction or all of fiction and real life) can otherwise be taken at face value, without any irrevocably mitigating factors (such as said Omniverse being a structure with 10 mathematical dimensions), then the Omniverse can be assumed to have absolutely infinite universes.

The reason for this is as follows: let's say that I imagined a Verse or Series Franchise that contains absolutely infinite universes within it's multiverse. As what is imagined is a part of fiction, a Verse that contains all of fiction and real life would logically contain it.

Standard Assumptions Concerning Characters Who Threaten or Destroy "All Of Existence"

Whenever there is a statement of a character threatening or destroying "all of existence", "all of reality", the "totality of existence", or some variation of the term, be sure to answer these questions, as "all of existence" and "all of reality" are subjective concepts, and may not actually mean the totality of the verse.

1. How large is the verse that the character originates from in terms of cosmology?

2. What is the highest/largest cosmological structure/set/system/object that the threat or destroyer in question has affected/viewed? Or that the character making the statement has affected/viewed?

3. How knowledgeable is the character in question about the verse?

4. Are there any other subtleties and nuances concerning the statement that need to be considered?

With these questions, you can quantify the highest scale structures, sets, systems, or objects that said character can destroy.

Comprehensive Scale

Low Universe Level: can create a set, system, or structure of spacetime that contains mass-energy and the physical laws and constants that govern that mass-energy. Specifically, creating an observable universe. This level also applies to destroying the space and mass-energy of an observable universe. A universe must have a diameter at least 8.8E26 meters in size, have a surface area of at least 2.432E54 m^2, have a volume of at least 4E80 m^3, and contain at least a mass-energy content of 2.68E71 joules to be considered such. The energy output required for this level is the total mass-energy of the observable universe.

Universe Level: can destroy the totality of the spacetime and mass-energy of an observable universe or the space and mass-energy of an infinite universe. The energy output required for this level is the gravitational binding energy of the observable universe.

High Universe Level: can destroy or create the totality of an infinite universe, including all of its spacetime and mass-energy. A universe must have a diameter at least 8.8E26 meters in size, have a surface area of 2.432E54 m^2, a volume of 4E80 m^3, and contain at least a mass-energy of 2.66E71 joules to be considered such.

Small Multiverse Level: can destroy or create a set, system, or structure that contains 2 to 1000 universes.

Multiverse Level: can destroy or create a set, system, or structure that contains 1001 to 1E500 universes.

Large Multiverse Level: can destroy or create a set, system, or structure that contains 1E500 to aleph-0 universes.

Large Multiverse Level+: can destroy or create a set, system, or structure that contains between aleph-0 and aleph-1 universes.

Quantum Multiverse Level: can destroy or create a set, system, or structure that contains aleph-1 universes.

Quantum Multiverse Level+: can destroy or create a set, system, or structure that contains between aleph-1 and aleph-2 universes.

Mathematical Multiverse Level: can destroy or create a set, system, or structure that contains aleph-2 universes.

Mathematical Multiverse Level+: can destroy or create a set, system, or structure that contains between aleph-2 and aleph-3 universes.

Megaverse Level: can destroy or create a set, system, or structure that contains an infinite number of infinite Level IV multiverses, or contains aleph-3 universes.

Megaverse Level+: can destroy or create a set, system, or structure that contains a finite amount of infinite megaverses, or contains between aleph-3 and aleph-4 universes.

Multi-Megaverse Level: can destroy or create a set, system, or structure that contains aleph-4 universes.

Multi-Megaverse Level+: can destroy or create a set, system, or structure that contains a finite number of cardinals of infinity above aleph-4 universes.

Omniverse Level: can destroy or create a set, system, or structure that contains aleph-ω universes.

Omniverse Level+: can destroy a set, system, or structure that contains absolutely infinite universes.