Talk:Goku vs Ben 10/@comment-38664455-20190628025438/@comment-25760276-20190701235926

In Layman's terms:

Heat Blast (without using scaling) destroyed most of a cave. This is the extent of his power when you don't scale him to folks such as Viktor, since you don't believe in tiers that way.

Goku (in the Saiyan and Namek Saga) was able to overpower an attack that would have blown up planet Earth. He also fought against the gravitational pull of the sun, along with surviving its heat. This is not even mentioning his vastly massive improvements throughout the series, I'm bastardizing the character terribly by only limiting him to the Saiyan Saga.

No hax are involved. No speed is being mentioned, no mind tricks or smarts, or anything. We are talking about pure power here. And in terms of raw power, someone who's strongest feat was destroying a cave can never, ever hope to damage someone that pushed against attacks with enough force to decimate an entire planet. These are not comparable things, Heatblast could not hope to harm Son Goku with what basic feats he's laid out.