Talk:Ash Ketchum vs. Red/@comment-27825376-20151223134850/@comment-25620113-20151231024104

1) He did actually in Unova when Team Rocket was actually a threat and I also think he did it in the Mewtwo movie.

2) I didn't say he wasn't. My argument was stating that Ash is not a dumbass like you claim but I still think Red is slightly smarter although Ash comes up with more unorthodox strategies.

3) True but he did die and then got revived. He has also befriended multiple legendaries including Arceus, the creator of pokemon, Giratina and even your beloved Mewtwo.

4) Yes because the game forced him to win. Canonically even the Ash lost multiple times he ultimately grew stronger than his rival showing more growth than his rival.

5) HAHAHAHAHA! Nice joke. Red beats legendaries because they are simply pieces of data like his pokemon. Both Ash and Alain (Mega Evolution Special) have better feats than Red because pokemon in the anime world aren't just pieces of data and are actual creatures hence why Ash can actually come up with combination moves while Red can not.