Talk:Undyne the Undying vs Sans/@comment-39793715-20190614191923

I do not think Sans would win in this fight. Before you just dislike this or something, hear me out.

Sans may be able to dodge, sure, but the thing is, he gets exhausted really easily. In his fight against the human, Sans only dodges 25 times. You do bring up the point of blocking with a spear, which would start to work. For the first minute. Only around the first minute. After that, Sans would have to use up his 25 dodges, which won't last him that long.

Compare that to what Sans has to do to defeat Undyne the Undying. He attacks with 1 AT. Assuming that KR works, that would do 30 damage per second since Undertale runs at 30 fps. Undyne has 23,000 HP, according to the game's data. With a bit of math, Sans would need to deal around 13 minutes of damage. 13 minutes! That's a lot of damage that would have to be dealt while Undyne only has to attack for around two to three minutes in order to defeat Sans. That is assuming that KR works.

I've read your analysis about how KR should affect Undyne, but it is inherently flawed. Using technicalities in wording really doesn't make you right. The only way to gain LV is to gain enough EXP to increase it. Period. You can pick on Looxs, insult Papyrus, and be just completely malicious the entire playthrough of Undertale. Despite this, your LV remains at 1. The only way to gain LV is to gain EXP and kill something. KR is the property that allows Sans to deal 30 damage per second despite having 1 AT since it removes invincibility frames. Without it, he'd deal 1 damage every 3 seconds. Factoring that into our previous calculations, you'd find that it would that 19 hours of consecutive damage in order to bring Undyne down. That's about 200 times the amount of time Undyne takes to defeat Sans.

And pinning Undyne against a wall doesn't work that way. Undyne would still be able to jump out, like the player does in the genocide route. And even assuming she can't and assuming that Sans can do this for hours on end despite not being shown this ability in game, Sans would fall asleep by then, just like he does in the genocide route.

Additionally, when is it stated in game that Sans has defeated Chara thirteen times and Undyne has defeated Chara once? I want proof for that. Also, intelligence? How would that play a factor in a fight that clearly has everything stacked against Sans. I don't see any valid way out of this situation.

The verdict is simple. The last line should read:

Wiz: The winner is, Undyne the Undying.