Talk:Darth Vader vs. Arturia Pendragon/Saber/@comment-210.195.95.133-20150813114806

Also the Idiot says that:

The Grail (The Grail gives roughly 90% of the mana Servants require) Servants are capable of existing and fighting for a few days at most- hours at least- she's not going to run out in a relative few minutes of battle just because Shiro isn't here. She should have more than enough energy for one battle- assuming you start her with a "full tank" to make an analogy. And if Shiro didn't summon her to give her mana, why would her stats be lower? This seems like a case of trying to have the cake and eat it too- if Shiro summoned her she should get the according mana- if Shiro did not she should get her higher stats since Shiro didn't summon her. In either case she should still have her starting mana, either from base or from when she was intiially summoned; not running on empty.

but honestly doesn't he relise that his event is occuring after the grail was destroyed? we are saperation Saber from the Grail in this battle.