Talk:Frisk/@comment-24956371-20170519140655/@comment-31200947-20170519213452

1. In addition to a decent speed and a good durability (assuming Undyne's magical attacks are at least equal to his physical strength) there is no evidence to deny that she/he can have a bad attack potency, you're right.

2. If you can save you can use the save.

>she/he is pretty much invincible

That is the thing with theoretically invincible powers, Frisk can not kill an opponent with slightly ridiculous durability, the monsters permanently beat 6 humans, and flowey admitted that he could not beat Sans. But this is not a "tie at least"; Although some people saying things like "the determination of Chara/Frisk would end after... " sound ridiculous one thing is true, determination was never established as an unlimited source and Undertale states that saving and charging is a power instead of a mechanic, but having the power to abuse that is not. Thus if Frisk fights against someone who he/she definitely cannot kill, Frisk loses, And if Frisk fight someone in any way harder to kill than anything Frisk has fought, saying that Frisk loses isn't wrong.