Talk:Goku vs. Bowser/@comment-30607935-20170829011326/@comment-31550106-20170915001501

The A>B and B>C so A>C logic doesn't work all the time.

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Also, Goku is definitely close to durability in Bowser, but I would give Bowser the edge as he has survived the rebirth and destruction of the universe, at least one or two black holes, and a supernova all at once without items and came out a bit unconscious. Goku, on the other hand, can take attacks from beings like the God of Destruction, Beerus, who is indeed universal/above in power as well, but not really as impressive as surviving all those things at once with no assistance and coming out a bit dazed.

Goku survived Hakai energy which was able to effortlessly erase Zamasu from ALL POSSIBLE TIMELINES, THEN CREATED A NEW TIMELINE WITH ZAMASU STILL ALIVE, in his base form. With ssj multipliers, he should be far above that.

Also, Bowser, while not really have ever fighting martial artists, has fought beings far more powerful and smarter; examples are Culex, Zeekeeper, and Dark Bowser.

Culex was beat by Mario, which implies that he's pretty weak, but for Zeekeper  you have a point. Dark Bowser has the same moveset and mindset as normal Bowser, so this doesn't make any sense.

There comes a time where physicality beats technique every time. Bowser is just too strong and durable and his superior physicality is the reason Mario can't fight him without assistance from an item or his brother or someone, even with Mario's above average physicality and when comparing his mentality with Bowser's, Mario is superior.

In most of the Mario games, Mario can whup Bowser's ass by himself with no power ups, so this does not make any sense. Also, the difference in strength and durability is not high enough for neither Goku nor Bowser to have an edge against each other.

Dreamy Bowser also was fought against with more than only one person and it took a decent amount of time for the Mario Bros. as well. Also, Mario is capable of dodging lightning, so he has good reaction speed and is fast himself and capable of surviving the atmosphere and flying around galaxies and all. Bowser also has dark magic on his side to make it possible for him to teleport, shapeshift, etc.

You think Mario dodging lightning is fast? Goku did that as a kid. Goku can also teleport, so Bowser's teleportation won't work. Shapeshifting won't exactly affect Bowser's speed much in the long run. Goku is also smaller than Bowser, making his movement speed slightly faster if Bowser decides to grow in size.