Thread:Mickey1940/@comment-29403514-20180119205048/@comment-31550106-20180120011233

 "I'm not using scaling that is nonexistent. Peanut Butter probably did take on Red's Charizard considering the Professor Tree literally stated he effortlessly beat and killed all the elite trainers in Kanto that stood against him. Stronger in what way? Power? That doesn't mean anything for speed. It's highly illogical to make the assumption his speed is in those multipliers when you have no canon evidence for it. There is a distinct difference between your headcannons and fact."

 The fact that Peanut Butter could beat Red's Charizard, as well as other top tier pokemon trainers's pokemon, whould imply that at the very least, his reaction speed is better than Charizards by an unspecified amount. Thus, we can assume that Peanut Butter is at least high relativistic. Cell is much, much, MUCH faster than that.



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Dude, that literally means that Peanut Butter knows how to deal with more diverse fighters compared to Cell. Are you going to tell me Champion Blue's team is the exact same compared to Red's? Exactly. Cell on the other hand mainly just deals with fighters that utilize abilities he himself has. Cell can do well against those fighters because he was meant to combat and best them in battle. He has no information nor has ever fought anyone like Peanut Butter was the point. There are plenty of characters who do well in their own verse so your reasoning is moot."

Yeah, but Pokemon moves are kind of similar to DBZ moves. Psychic and Ghost type moves are represented by the Z fighter's telekinesis, and every single elemental (Fire, Water, Rock, Ground, Steel, Electric, Flying), close combat attack (Fighting, Flying, Dragon, Bug, Normal), and energy based attack (Grass) is shown in DBZ in some way.

"Last time I checked, Cell only gained the abilities of his opponents. When did he gain their actual experience? Again, he was literally meant to fight these people. Don't even start with Goku being a master martial artist because Super itself has made it clear that someone like Caulifla can adapt to him easily. Those abilities are often downplayed within the respected series. If someone like Frieza, who said he never trained a day in his life, can keep up with Goku, then why would the case be any different for Cell? I'm not saying Cell isn't impressive, but your argument seems incredibly one-sided with no actual thought."

Gero specifically made Cell to gain the abilities, memories, AND expierience from everyone he took DBZ from, as well as his added expierience throughout the Cell saga.

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Cell

Also, what the heck are you talking about Goku not being a master martial artist? He fought in the WORLD MARTIAL ARTS TOURNAMENT, several times, and has beaten many foes like Tien, Krillin, and Roshi with his Martial Arts abilities. He has also been stated many times to be a master martial artist. Just because Caulifla adapted to him doesn't mean he's inexpierienced, it just means that she recognizes Goku's (intentional) repetitive movements, and learned from these. Real life street fighters can do the same thing.



 "Peanut Butter's ridiculous hax to begin with doesn't make this an easier fight for Cell to win. Have you forgotten about the time he literally reality warped on a global scale to undo all the damage he did to world? Don't even say it wasn't global because he specified it was. How is Cell realistically supposed to counter something like that tell me. Or wait, can he counter transmutation? Cell can't do much if he were turned into a belt now can he? Regeneration is only going to help in physical prowess. Actual abilities that PB has allow him to realistically DESTROY Cell."

 That is a good point, but Cell may or may not still have his regen abilities when he becomes a Bidoof. We haven't seen enough of the Bidoof beam to know if the new Bidoof still retains it's previous abilities or not, but if not, then Bidoof would win. Also, we don't know if Bidoof can literally transmute anyone. That's a no limits fallacy, but since we don't know that limit, I'll leave that to someone else.



"Again, I've literally mentioned that his other abilities like reality warping and transmutation allow him to contend with Cell. Cell has physical advantages with both almost going even with speed possibly, but regeneration still isn't going to do much against the best few hax PB has. That was literally for entertainment purposes with how the fight ended. Of course it had to be portrayed in a believable way, but that doesn't mean it can't happen. Do you think Gohan would have beat Cell with something like a Dragon Fist if he could use it? No. The fact that Cell was being engulfed in the blast is what allowed for him to be permanently destroyed. You could possibly argue the exact same for PB if he manages to get that upper hand."

Reality warping and transmutation aside, just because an attack is capable of vaporization, doesn't mean it will kill Cell. The Sun is capable of vaporizing a lot of stuff if it comes into contact with it, but Cell can sruvive in the sun due to his insane durability. Also, PB does not show any feats above solar system level. His strongest blast was wall level (to break out of Prison), and his strongest reality warping feat is planetary. Cell is solar system level. hecan literally tank a blast from Bidoof with his eyes closed. The only way I can see Bidoof winning is with transmutation. (I understand you gave power and durability to Cell, but I don't think you understand the gap.)

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<p style="font-weight:400;font-size:14px;">I never compared Cell to Peanut Butter directly. I said it was a similar scenario to how he was defeated in the fight. Again, I LITERALLY SAID CELL HAD THE POWER AND DURABILITY ADVANTAGE. Did you not clearly think your argument through before you made some half-a**ed response to the fight? I never said he didn't hold any of those abilities. Again, hax and speed still play a factor into this fight. Cell has decent hax, but none of them remotely let him beat out the top stuff PB has. Your comment was interesting, but I urge you to actually review the content next time before you start hounding on me for what I believe to still be correct.

<p style="font-weight:400;font-size:14px;">Sorry about that. Really, I am, and you are right about transmutation, but speed is also in Cell's favor by a wide margin, and Bidoof's reality warping with his reset isn't powerful enough to take out Cell.