Thread:Metal Mario875/@comment-31259708-20150723003836/@comment-26374068-20150724211721

Dbfan and critic wrote:

Metal Mario875 wrote: While I'd say you have quite a bit right, there's some I have to disagree on. For one, the White Tanooki cannot be touched, or it immediately kills the enemy, not to mention someone like Laharl wouldn't know White Tanooki's weaknesses. Going onto some other things, Mario actually does have speed feats. For one, in that same link you had, not only does it measure Mario's strength up in the castle feat, but it shows and explains Mario running up walls at a constant speed, in which he must have some crazy speed. Not to mention Luigi has shown to be able to run at sound speed, and Mario isn't far behind his brother. Not to mention Mario is even able to hold his own against a black hole. A real one too. Next, as to they're techniques, you did forget some of Mario's. For one, he has the Star Spin, Mario Tornado, Super Jump Punch, Slide, and a huge variety of different kinds of punches and kicks, ranging from drop kicks, uppercuts, ect. And plus, Mario actually dosn't need to use the Fire Flower for pyrokinesis, as the Fire God taught him Fire Brand, where he can shoot fireballs and infuse his fire into his attacks. The Fire Flower simply strengthens it. And also, Mario has demonstrated to be able to jump 80 feet high, with relative ease. So Laharl's flying capabilities wouldn't help alot, not to mention including the F.L.U.D.D., ups Mario's jumping abilities to 160 feet. And as towards Mario's durability, it was kinda off. Mario definitely did survive the Supernova, which is universal, so galaxy level durability wouldn't really stand up to that, and Mario was barely fazed. Rosalina was the one that put Mario to sleep after the Supernova, not the explosion itself. Indicating Mario wasn't even knocked out by the Supernova, and sustained no injuries. And the Lumas actually failed at protecting everyone, as the Tornado scene clearly shows them being sucked in, so there was literally NO protection whatsoever. And more proof Mario survived, a reset is suppose to set everyone perfectly back to normal. And with Mario, along with Bowser, Peach, and Luigi being flat on they're asses, it means they tanked it. And Rosalina tanked it too, or she'd be back on Earth in that ending scene aswell. But that's getting off topic. Mario also survived atmospheric re-entry dozens of times sustaining no damage at all, aswell as Mario not even being fazed by a ginormous magma core of lava, several valcanos, and even the sun, all didn't effect him. Not to mention Mario is also able to tank extremely cold weather for a rather long period of time, before even sustaining any damage. As to the power-ups, Mario does have alot more, but it's your decision on what you add, so I'll work with what you granted. First off, the Hammer is able to knock small enemies around the world in a few seconds, indicating another example of Mario's striking strength. But then we've got the Fire Flower, which as stated before strengthens Mario's flame, the Ice Flower can freeze enemies solid, and allows Mario to create ice anywhere water is. The Mega Mushroom was kinda underestimated too, as you kinda need to think about it like this: Mario's strength, tripled. Mega Mario could lift 3 massive castles, and simply walks into things, destroying them. I don't think Laharl has anything to counter that, granted it only lasts 30 seconds. The Mega Mushroom also makes Mario invincible and increases his speed. But I think the biggest underestimated power-up in there was the Metal Cap. The Metal Cap transforms Mario into Metal Mario, granting him doubled strength, entire invincibility, and the Metal Cap cannot be knocked off of Mario's head. Literally not possible. It lasts 25 seconds anyway. Then the Star, again, just like White Tanooki, I don't think someone like Laharl would figure out what it does. It majorly increases Mario's strength, speed, agility, and makes him invincible. But only for 15 seconds. Now finally, Mario's intellect. Believe it or not, Mario is extremely intelligent, but don't use his brain unless he has too. Now finally, as to F.L.U.D.D., he has multiple different nozzles, like the Normal Nozzle, Rocket Nozzle, Jet Nozzle, and Hover Nozzle. F.L.U.D.D. has large amounts of water, as if you do the math and science, when Mario shoots water, it's ALOT. Mario is 5'2, and the water that jets out is nearly half his size. So, Mario is carrying gallons upon gallons of water like it's nothing, another example of Mario's strength. And when he shoots, that must mean it's high pressurized water. Also, it can shoot normal water, freezing water, and boiling water. And it can shoot water constantly for 10 seconds, and then continue shooting right afterwards, basically endless, IF, Mario didn't need to reload. But as long as there's water around him, he can reload in a matter of seconds. Now, for healing. While Laharl does have healing, Mario can aswell. He has Ultra Mushrooms which nearly completely heal him. And he can also have a piece of gear in the RPGs which heal him every time he attacks. Personally, I actually think Mario would take that battle. Ok Several things Things 1 The supernova could Be an outliner (Ie a feat he could never pull off again Which to my Knowladge he hasn't) As I mentioned before As it is not very consistant Plus If it "destroyed the universe" It would be a Hypernova Which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a supernova And with most feats in galaxy Since there not consistant with the rest of the seires They could be considerd outliners Plus Yoshi who is Solar system level Via feat in yoshis world (the only other solar system feat if I remeber and its kinda a gag feat) can Kick Bowsers A*s Proving further that the Supernova Being univeral would be an out liner 2 As for the white tooniki suit Laharl Doesn't actually Use his fists he actually uses a sword Plus it oneshoting people could easily be argued to be Game mechanics 3 Mega mushroom Mario Would Be no where near Baals Strenght As Baal Has taken over galaxies And has Skills that Imediatly damage people Meaning Laharl was injered When fighting Baal And still won and in the manga He casually curb stomped Baal Who like Mario wrecked buildings Just by walking 4 I know all the power ups Mario has I just didn't mention all of them Just the ones I feel Mario uses the most And trust me Laharl has a counter for near every power up Mario could throw at him 5 While thoes are impressive Speed feats There nothing compared to Laharl Who as stated Moves 6 Trillion times the speed of light 6 Surviving re-Entry =/= The force behind a galaxy level attack Also Laharl has survived numorus beatings from stronger beings FAR STRONGER BEINGS beings able to curb stomp him casually with nary a scratch on him 7 ok I f*cked up with the metal cap reasoning Bur Laharl can easily out last it Same with the star man And As for the white tooniki suit Again Unless it can kill Laharl via his blade touching it It wouldn't really affect the fight As Laharl could just Use Big Bang And Also it's compleatly in character for Laharl to just blitz a person and Use a strong move on them Like Big Bang 8 Again While It does sound impressive Laharl is hited at to have burned the earth alive And Can Burn To death The u losing ranger Who can survive Flying to the sun So Laharls Fire > The temperater on the sun or in lava also as seen in Any Mario seires If Mario touches lava he's dead 9 Laharl can fly for indefinite peiods of time And He could easily Fly out of the atmosphere Which he does in Disgaea D2 Big Bang 10 Laharl is also debatably really smart as well able to figure out complicated puzzles heck He blew up thousands of ships But in a way It gave the crew time to escape before blowing up And considering Each ship probably was a diffrent size and had a diffrent number of crew members and he did it in mear moments of each one well yeah 11 Laharls sword >>>>>> Marios hammer As Laharls sword is litterally able to ONESHOT some of the stronger enemy's in the game after some proper grinding 12 As for your fludd point It really doesn't matter I only brought it up as it is apart of Marios Equipment Even if Mario tried to drown Laharl it wouldn't matter as Laharl Is a demon and demons as seen in Disgaea 4 Don't need oxygen And said high presser water can't even blast threw a building so it's not hurting Laharl 13 Plus I didn't even want to use Mario Galaxy feats because Well To be honest As I've stated before A lot of people Consider the feats in galaxy to be bull S*it and outliners I mean Laharl technicly only has 2 Games Dedicated to him (he's cameod in Several but thoes several Didn't really help his feats) So if I wanted to I could litterally narrow down Mario to 2 Different games as well (I'd choose the super Mario seires and the Mario RPG seires) 14 And finally last but not least NO ITEMS Allowed Besides the Heros Equipment Why because then Laharl would have Hundreds of items that could heal him restore his SP and snatch Marios Items/power ups Via An item he can use 1. In Super Paper Mario, Mario tanked another explosion very similar to a Supernova with no damage at all, therefore he could pull it off again if needed to. Plus, we should be looking at the characters in they're full potential, as even ScrewAttack stated in Goku VS Superman 2, saying those shouldn't count is the equivalent to me saying "Well those are only 2 games he did it in, so all the others should count instead." See what I mean? And I suppose that it was a Hypernova then.

2. White Tanooki also destroys any weapons or objects that hit it, so that wouldn't matter. And it can one-shot enemies, trust me on that.

3. Is the manga canon? And Mega Mario has a shit load of power aswell.

4. Understood, but I think your underestimating Mario's power-ups there.

5. If you wouldn't mind, may I see proof he moves that fast?

6. Far stronger beings? Have you seen Dimentio? Count Bleck? Elder Shroob? Bowser? Shadow Mario?

7. Mario isn't afraid to be cheap aswell. Just reminding you.

8. Still, Mario was barely fazed, so he should be alright. And Super Mario 64, Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2, Mario Kart, Mario Party, and a few more Mario games disagrees with him dying from lava easily. Take cutscenes into account, and Mario has no problem with lava. Game Mechanics are there to make the game challenging, not to demonstrate what the character can do.

9. Well, that still dosn't really help him. And if Mario hits him before he gets away...

10. Ok, so they're both smart when they need to be.

11. Mario's Hammer can do the same after leveling up. So what's your point?

12. Game Mechanics it can't blast through buildings. In all actuality, it could.

13. Which Galaxy counts as part of the "Super Mario" category. It's an official game!

14. And Mario actually has many similar items that can take things, ect. But I understand. Regardless, it still shouldn't effect Mario much.