Talk:Raiden vs. Undyne/@comment-27682253-20160322015234/@comment-24561308-20160322021250

That's not how determination works at all. Determination is an actual thing, not just an emotion. Alphys extracted the damn thing, you can't extract an emotion and puts it in a flower.

Chara doesn't posses determination or power on their own, they need Frisk's to do it.

What you don't understand is that Flowey is much stronger than Chara, who destroyed a huge amount of timelines. Even destroying a single timeline requires infinite power. If Frisk is anywhere near Flowey in power, they are Multiversal