Talk:Darth Vader vs. Arturia Pendragon/Saber/@comment-4450205-20151018072738/@comment-27583694-20160110150806

Vader better get some good hits early, because I really don't understand how anyone thinks Vader is in any shape to win this.

Vader has never faced anything like Arturia, and Arturia has beaten foes far stronger than him, such as Heracles and Gilgamesh. This is not a bias, that's simply truth.

- Yes, the force isn't magic. But Vader is limited in that he HAS to know EXACTLY where his foe is to use the more effective attacks, such as force choking. Force push, and such, no.

- Arturia's range game >>> Vader's. So much so it's ridiculous. Invisible Wind, Excalibur... ALL OF IT. Vader can't block any of it. Hell, Invisible Winds by itself could probably kill Vader.

- Arturia can PUNCH multi-ton objects like they are nothing, and move them vast distances in doing so. Vader can throw whatever he wants with the force, Arturia can just punch it back, or out of the way.

- Arturia is also SO MUCH faster than Vader that it's almost comical. Arturia can see what opponents are going to do, and react at near-impossible rate. Like Rider and Lancer, who can bot strike over 100 in an instant. And she blocked all of their hits.

The only question in the fight is whether or not the lightsaber can cut through Excalibur. I honestly don't think it can. We see that sturdy enough weapons, such as the riot batons, can block lightsabers. Excalibur is certainly superior to that.

So now you've also got Avalon to take into account, which blocks ANY and ALL damage. Vader could shoot her with the damn Death Star, and it isn't gonna do shit.

And if Saber can go Saber Alter? Forget it. Vader's already slim chances of walking winning this fight go even worse.

You ask me, this is a curbstomp for Arturia, not Vader.