Talk:Usagi Tsukino vs Madoka Kaname/@comment-1652808-20160419044540

So I finished the episode of VDA for this, and let me explain how I think this goes:

This match is probably one of the closest matchups either of them can have, however Madoka has one of the biggest advantages. As soon as you get into the whole "They're both Universal/Universal+/Multiversal" stuff, it's hard to tell who would win with just movesets, power levels, and stuff, you kind of have to resort to who's hax are better and what hax would actually help.

In the end, what it ultimately comes down to is Soul Manipulation vs Madoka's ability to see all of the past and future. Madoka's ability, however, is only stated in Episode 12 and is very vague, so it's unknown if this ability is instant or it takes time or if she can call on it at will, but that nearly counters almost all of Moon's real abilities. If she can call on it instantly, she would be able to figure out everything Usagi would do in a short or long time frame, and be able to counter before Usagi would be able to do anything. This is kind of like DB's logic for Toph's Seismic sense, except the difference being Madoka able to know this stuff far in advance and Toph only knowing about it as it happens (not going to agree with that battle, but the logic used is fairly similar)

The only other thing is True Star Seeds vs Soul Gems. This is probably the second and most important thing. If we ignore the whole "Kill Life to Kill Usagi" or "Kill Hope to Kill Madoka" stuff, what it boils down to is who can destroy which first, and since Episode 196 of Sailor Moon shows that destroying the Star Seed of any given person would also wipe them from existence, even if they're from Super Sailor Scout/Senshi. Falling back to the first point, depending on how Madoka's ability to see into the future or the past works, if Usagi decides to mention the Star Seeds, Madoka would be able to see into what happened in 196, try to extract her True Star Seed, and Destroy it, ultimately killing Usagi, or Usagi could zip around the universe, try and find Madoka's Soul Gem, and destroy that, ultimately destroying Madoka.

Usagi is ultimate much faster than Madoka seems to be, so that tactic might work, but if Madoka gets a head start by knowing exactly what Moon is doing, she'd be able to stop her and destroy her Star Seed anyway.

So this entire match is basically what hax counter what, and in my opinion, ultimately Madoka's ability to see into the Future and the Past wins out over most of what Usagi can do.

This is just my opinion on what would happen, however. People may reach a different conclusion.