Talk:Frisk vs. The Batter/@comment-33664176-20171116014604/@comment-28978568-20171116220020

Well, I understand why're you in disagree, however, I mentioned why your points wouldn't be considered as a fact for the results of the fight. First of all, Frisk just damaged Omega Flowey because Flowey was just toying with them. As a fact, when Flowey uses his full power, Frisk can't even blink because Photoshop is way too powerful for them. Also, when Frisk achieves to "defeat" Flowey, is because the souls gave them their strength, so it's something that Frisk can't do without outside help.



In the results, I specified the Asriel thing too.  DETERMINATION  is a confusing trait; its powers are never explained. Frisk once reached the trait's peak, however, that was in a pacifist route. Thanks to DETERMINATION, Frisk is way more resistant than the Batter, as they can tank Universal busting attacks, but again, is just when their DETERMINATION is at its fullest. Nobody knows if Frisk reached that level because they had someone to save, a clear goal, very good intentions, or because they fought for themselves. Now, talking about genocide, Frisk did their genocide because they had nothing better to do, and that didn't give them the access to the peak of the trait, so fighting for themselves is not an option. Then, they found Sans, who told them to quit. Frisk was determined enough to continue, and fulfill their mission. However, that clear goal didn't give them the access to the peak.



So, maybe they reached that level because their good intentions or to save their friends. Maybe these are wrong too, but I think that these are the most reasonable ones. That means, that Genocide!Frisk has no ways to defeat The Batter as they can't reach the peak of the ''' DETERMINATION. Their soul can refuse to be erased, but only when they're determined enough, and due to them not having a way to reach the full power of the DETERMINATION during a genocide route, they can't refuse to The Batter's purification.   '''And even if Genocide!Frisk manages to refuse to be erased, that doesn't mean that they can defeat The Batter, who still surpasses them in a lot of ways, and at the end, Frisk will simply rage quit.



But, if we're talking about a fully determined Pacifist!Frisk, then I agree with you. The Batter is easily outclassed by Pacifist!Frisk, but that can't happen in a scenario where only the genocide version of Frisk is being used.