Talk:Mario-verse VS Sonic-verse/@comment-24530269-20161212162004/@comment-30294856-20161218175504

@Adamjensen2030: Well, Dry Bowser is technically almost unkillable. The difference is Mephiles is not. Dry Bowser never died in NSMB, in case you're wondering. Bowser survived the destruction of the Universe in SMG, and hits from Culex, a being who inherits the time of Mario's universe, so completely obliterating every part of his body would be really hard. The difference with Mephiles is he only took hits from City level beings like Sonic. He's never fought Universal beings before. Only Solaris is at that level. Mephiles may have an inability to die from old age, as well as some decent regeneration, but there's no reason to say he's absolutely immortal.

Wait, when did it state that Mephiles became Time Eater? IIRC that's a fan theory. Same with Iblis becoming Ifrit and Silver surviving outside of the space-time continuum. I never said getting away was a cowardly move. It is playing it smart, but some of the Mario characters are decently fast (in Mario Party 6, a lot of them could out-"swim" a black hole, and Mario can fly across galaxies in seconds), so it could be possible for some Mario characters to follow them. Also, in SMG2, Mario could fly to galaxies from Starship Mario without a Launch Star, Power Star, Grand Star, or anything else, so he could fly at MFTL+ speeds on his own.

Again, you WOULD need prep time to know when they were born. If that happened, again, Bowser could do the same and follow Mephiles. There's no different versions of Bowser. Miyamoto himself said there is no real canon, so all games can be included. Just in this case, Paper Mario is not. I don't know if it works like that for Sonic though. It could, but I think the Archie Comics are separate. Then again, it would be better if Archie Sonic were used if Paper Mario were. BTW, CFC isn't the best source. That video was made back when it wasn't as good. The reasoning was a bit questionable for that episode. Also, Time Eater is outside help since the past Eggman was needed to obtain it as well, so it couldn't even be used in the total war. It's not confirmed that Silver can survive outside the space-time continuum. In fact, if he could, there's no way Shadow stopping time could stop him.

As for Rosalina VS Silver, Rosalina's durability is WAY too high for base Silver to do anything. Super Silver is the only chance he has of winning,

@Withersoul 235: No, SMG was never debunked. The admins on VS Battles Wiki are just skeptical about including them because the feats are higher than Mario's others (they honestly do that WAY too often). It says, possibly 4-A, or higher. They DO acknowledge these feats, but they are skeptical of including them. Also, Mario's speed from SMG was included, so they really weren't debunked.