Talk:Ash vs Red/@comment-26030372-20160326073547/@comment-30870165-20170106225558

@Pokemon Trainer Lion, How can Origins Red win but not Manga? Manga's like Red's most powerful version, right?

@Smashor,Ash would never fight a human in a pokemon battle and if he did decide to fight, he'd get his ass whooped by Red who is superior in speed and durability while Ash has strength. Red actually has fighting experience. Bravery doesn't mean you're good at fighting.

Overall, we shouldn't peg a winner because we're not sure what pokemon each will get.