Talk:Flandre Scarlet VS Chara/@comment-26395974-20170407041558/@comment-31550106-20180429154849

Allright let me just make one thing clear right off the bat: Touhou characters are incredibly vauge in terms of power due to the spell card rules rendering scaling useless. What i'm about to say holds no value to the result of this match. With that out of the way, let's talk about how Chara is not an all powerful demon/glich/thing/whateverthefuck.

"So at the end of the genocide route, Chara destroys everything, right? Well, let me ask you something: What is this everything? Now i can't tell you what was destroyed, but i can tell you what wasn't: The wind in the background. Acording to a quick google search(that you can easily replicate) wind is made from uneven tempatures caused by clouds blocking out the sun. Now, you're probably wondering if such a thing can even happen in the underground and the answer, is yes. Remember the fight against Undyne in the geno route? Remember the line "The wind is howling"? The reason the game closed was because there was nowhere for it to load within itself(as all savepoints were destroyed). Chara only destroyed what we see within undertale the game and all future playthroughs take place in one of the alternate timelines/universes within it."

First off, you can't factor in real life science into vs debates. Second of all, the fact that Chara could forcibly close the game means that they are multiversal, since the game contains a countably infinite amount of timelines.

"Chara didn't cause a bug within the game. This one is a lot easier to explain than the one above. In order to get acess to undertale post genocide you need to sell your soul to Chara. This means in all future playthroughs you're playing as Chara with full control over Frisk. This is why they appear at the end of every route after that. Please tell me i'm not the only one who remembered that part."

They didn't neccesarily cause a bug.

That pretty much debunks both multiversal and omnipresent Chara in one go. And as a bonus, it makes sense from a lore perspective, as gameplay mechanics are canon to undertale.

I don't see your point. In terms of pure destructive capability AND speed, Chara absolutely destroys. In terms of DC, Flandre is large star level wthout hax (scaling from Marisa), while Chara is multiverse leve due to forcibly X-ing out the game. For speed, Flandre is massively FTL + scaling from most Touhou characters, while Chara is omnipresent. Hear me out: Chara was able to exist, recreate, and have control over every concievable timeline in the Undertale game, and after reaching their "absolute", becomes a conceptual being with inflence across all timelines in Undertale. If Flandre somehow manages to destroy Chara's "eye", then not only would the entire multiverse that she's currently in be destroyed, but Chara's gonna come back like nothing's happened due to the RESET button.