Talk:Raiden vs. Undyne/@comment-27682253-20160322205620/@comment-24561308-20160322210928

You can't see a lot of stuff m8, doesn't meant it doesn't exist.

Determination is an actual thing, not just a feeling. A Flower doesn't have emotion nor it can be determined in doing anything, yet Flowey still had determination.

Also yes monsters are Determined. Papyrus only has 20 attack, yet was stated to be really determined and persistant.

The simple reasons why other verses doesn't have time power with determination is because their SOUL doesn't produces determination.

Chara doesn't have determination before Frisk comes in. Before the game, they are ded.