Talk:Blue vs Gary Oak/@comment-26030372-20160818113239/@comment-26865490-20161121160906

Not so fast. Blue lost to red MANY times and never actually beat him outside of origens. Aside from his last battle with ash where he even didn't use pikachu (That was how serious he was) Gary always beat Ash in everything. He has his powerful blastoise, as well as an Umbreon and an Electivire. And that's not counting the mons at Oak's Lab. Scizor is another powerful pokemon gary has, and a golem. Arcanine, Magmar (Likley a magmortar now), etc... While Gary is currently studying pokemon, Blue really couldn't train his pokemon untill Sun and Moon due to being a gym leader.