Talk:Raiden vs. Undyne/@comment-27682253-20160322003038

@Dbfan and critic

Frisk is not Universal. Chara has the capacity to destroy the Universe, but not Frisk, it was through Frisk's determination that allowed Chara to come back to life. Other than that Frisk cannot one shot the universe like Chara.

Frisk was no where aroundsuper human, she did not have any super human strength, she did not have super human speed, she had determination, thats it. She had a huge amount of determination. She didn't necessarily "Defeat" Undyne with her own 2 hands or with stregnth alone. She fled and kept running until Undyne dried out in hotland due to temperature. The only reason why she one shotted Undyne in genocide route was because A. It was genocide route and B. Undyne came in to save monster kid and was not prepared to fend off the blast and take it head on.

The feat of Frisk surviving Asriels attack was again, not by simple endurance or super human ability, but through determination alone. This is proven from the fact that Frisk can still die in normal play from spears, spikes, or any other mortal made weapons, if she really tanked that blow through physical form alone where did she get the physical endurance? She didnt, her determination pulled her through, but what good is determination against someone from any other universe where determination is a mere emotion and is therefore useless? Take Frisk, put her in Marvel, Metal Gear, Dragon Ball, anywhere where determination is useless. Shes just an ordinary person thats lucky to come from a universe where emotions and determination can sustain a lifeforce through divine attack. Again, no character outside Chara, Photoshop Flowey/Asriel, no one stands a chance outside the Undertale universe as both power and feats dont compare. Look at raiden, he's sliced through buildings meant to survive nuclear wars, pit him and Frisk and it'd be no comparison, Raiden would win, Undyne much less.

And no. Frisk did not hurt flowey, after reaching out for the lost souls they began to revolt and turn against flowey thus lowering his defense, other than that she barely laid even a dent on flowey.Let me remind you the only reason frist won that, was because of her reaching out to the 6 souls. She did not win that from any kind of super human stregnth, and she did not "Tank" hits either, as she was killed repeadiately before flowey reset the save files just to kill her again and again.