Talk:Sonic the Hedgehog vs Captain Falcon/@comment-31816534-20171116235759/@comment-26374068-20180114201343

I do think Super Sonic beats Captain Falcon, but a composite Falcon lays waste to base Sonic.

However, I want to address one thing: Sonic scaling to Infinite.

This can't happen. At all.

As a matter of fact, it is PIS that Sonic won, as there are actual contradictions in the game between feats. A big one is Mania Sonic... So, Mania Sonic needed the Chaos Emeralds and his Super form to defeat someone powered by the Phantom Ruby in Mania. Meanwhile, in Forces, he can fight someone with an overclocked Phantom Ruby in base. Such scaling is complete and utter contradictory. And not only this, but the Resistance was consistently losing against Infinite. They would have died to the star, which Infinite casually created when he didn't have full energy, but when they manage to get rid of it thanks to the Avatar's Phantom Ruby Prototype (which shatters right after this, by the way), Infinite doesn't just... make another one? Hell, maybe ten more? Infinite should have won. Straight up. This would mean that the base Sonic characters aren't even above Tier 4 in this game yet took on (IMO) Tier 2 Infinite, which is highly inconsistent. This is also why Infinite's low-end Tier 4 can't be given to these characters, either; they were clearly stated to be inferior to such a thing. And while the DLC for Sonic Forces lets you fight Infinite as Super Sonic, that doesn't count. Since you have to beat the level first to play as Super Sonic, that means he never canonically went Super Sonic against Infinite, and thus, cannot be scaled. That's be PIS anyway because the Phantom Ruby before it was tuned was stated to surpass the Master Emerald's capabilities.