Talk:Water Starter Battle Royale/@comment-26418719-20160211211823

Quite a few factors determine this, but I can say some for certain. If Hidden Abilities come into play, it comes down to a three-way standoff between Blastoise, Feraligatr and Greninja.

Let's go over who goes down first.

Empoleon's out first due to Swampert existing. It can't take an Earthquake.

Swampert is next to go out due to not resisting Water Moves and spamming Earthquake alone isn't gonna score it a win.

After that, Samurott is downed due to its reliance on setting up and luck- it NEEDS to get those Swords Dances off and then pray that none of its Megahorns miss their mark.

Then, as much as it pains me to say it, next to go is Greninja. Greninja just doesn't have the bulk or raw power to keep up with Feraligatr and Blastoise and, despite its HA being extremely good, without access to TMs and HMs it can't really hit either hard enough to score the win (It needs Grass Knot to do so).

Lastly, Blastoise is the final Pokemon to die here. While Blastoise is an absolute tank and that's what carries it so far into the battle, the fact at hand is that Blastoise's offenses in this match absolutely suck. The best move Blastoise can actually use against Feraligatr is Skull Bash, which require's a turn's set up. And before people say that Blastoise can set up its defenses, Feraligatr can use Screech and Leer, ultimately making the usage of Iron Defense and Withdraw pointless, to say nothing of Gatr just bypassing it completely with Chip Away, and that's not even counting the Sheer Force boosts.